Talmud Yerushalmi
Yerushalmi Avodah Zarah 5:11 ירושלמי עבודה זרה ה׳:י״א
Part of: Chapter 5
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משנה: יֵין נֶסֶךְ אָסוּר וְאוֹסֵר בְּכָל שֶׁהוּא. יַיִן בְּיַיִן וּמַיִם בְּמַיִם כָּל שֶׁהוּא. יַיִן בְּמַיִם וּמַיִם בְּיַיִן בְּנוֹתֵן טַעַם. זֶה הַכְּלָל מִין בְּמִינוֹ כָּל שֶׁהוּא. וְשֶׁלֹּא בְמִינוֹ בְּנוֹתֵן טַעַם:
MISHNAH: Libation wine is forbidden and makes forbidden in the most minute amount. Wine mixed with wine131Libation wine mixed with kosher wine. or water mixed with water132Holy water used for pagan rituals. in the most minute amount. Wine in water or water in wine, if it gives taste133In the practice of the Babli, if the forbidden substance is less than one sixtieth of the permitted; cf. Terumot Chapter 10.. This is the principle, kind in the same kind in the most minute amount, kind in another kind if it gives taste.
MISHNAH: Libation wine is forbidden and makes forbidden in the most minute amount. Wine mixed with wine131Libation wine mixed with kosher wine. or water mixed with water132Holy water used for pagan rituals. in the most minute amount. Wine in water or water in wine, if it gives taste133In the practice of the Babli, if the forbidden substance is less than one sixtieth of the permitted; cf. Terumot Chapter 10.. This is the principle, kind in the same kind in the most minute amount, kind in another kind if it gives taste.
הלכה: יֵין נֶסֶךְ אָסוּר כול׳. חִזְקִיָּה אָמַר. הָדָא דְתֵימַר. בְּמָקוֹם שֶׁאֵין הַמַּיִם נִמְכָּרִין בְּמִידָּה. אֲבָל בְּמָקוֹם שֶׁהַמַּיִם נִמְכָּרִין בְּמִידָּה כְּיַיִן בְּיַיִן הֵן.
HALAKHAH: “Libation wine is forbidden,” etc. Ḥizqiah said, that is at a place where water is not sold by measure. But at a place where water is sold by measure it is like wine in wine134If water is so precious that it is sold bottled, mixing wine and water is mixing two equally important fluids and treated as equals. This rule is not found in the Babli..
HALAKHAH: “Libation wine is forbidden,” etc. Ḥizqiah said, that is at a place where water is not sold by measure. But at a place where water is sold by measure it is like wine in wine134If water is so precious that it is sold bottled, mixing wine and water is mixing two equally important fluids and treated as equals. This rule is not found in the Babli..
חִזְקִיָּה אָמַר. כּוֹס שֶׁמְּזָגוֹ מֵאִיסּוּר וּמֵהֵיתֵר וְנָפַל אִיסּוּר בְּתוֹךְ אִיסּוּר וְהֵיתֵר בְּתוֹךְ הֵיתֵר. אָמַר רִבִּי שְׁמוּאֵל. דְּרִבִּי לִיעֶזֶר הִיא. דְּרִבִּי לִיעֶזֶר אָמַר. אַחַר אַחֲרוֹן אֲנִי בָא. אָמַר רִבִּי יִרְמְיָה. חוֹמֶר הוּא בְיֵין נֶסֶךְ. רִבִּי יוּסֵי בָעֵי. אִם חוֹמֶר הוּא בְיֵין נֶסֶךְ אֲפִילוּ נָפַל הֵיתֵר בְּסוֹף יְהֵא אָסוּר. רִבִּי אַסִּי בְשֵׁם רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן. כּוּס שֶׁמְּזָגוֹ מֵאִיסּוּר וּמֵהֵיתֵר אַתְּ רוֹאֶה אֶת הַהֵיתֵר כְּמִי שֶׁאֵינוֹ. וְהָאִיסּוּר אִם יֵשׁ בּוֹ בְּנוֹתֵן טַעַם אָסוּר. וְאִם לָאו מוּתָּר. אָמַר רִבִּי הוֹשַׁעְיָה. וְהוּא שֶׁנָּפַל הֵיתֵר בְּסוֹף. רִבִּי אִמִּי בְשֵׁם רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן. וְלֹא שַׁנְיָיא בֵּין שֶׁנָּפַל אִיסּוּר בַּתְּחִילָּה וְהֵיתֵר בְּסוֹף הֵיתֵר בַּתְּחִילָּה וְאִיסּוּר בְּסוֹף. אֲפִילוּ מַיִם בְּיַיִן אֲפִילוּ נִמְזָג כַּל צוֹרְכוֹ מֵהֵיתֵר אַתְּ רוֹאֶה אֶת הַהֵיתֵר כְּמִי שֶׁאֵינוֹ. וְהָאִיסּוּר אִם יֵשׁ בּוֹ בְּנוֹתֵן טַעַם אָסוּר. וְאִם לָאו מוּתָּר. אָמַר רִבִּי זֵירָא. הָדָא לְמַעֲלָן אִיתָאֲמָרַת וְכוּלָּהּ תִּינָיִין הֵיךְ עֲבִידָא. רִבִּי יוֹסֵי בֵּירִבִּי בּוּן רִבִּי אַבָּהוּ בְּשֵׁם רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן. צְלוֹחִית יֵין נֶסֶךְ שֶׁנָּפְלָה לְחָבִית שֶׁל מַיִם וְאַחַר כָּךְ נָפְלָה לְתוֹךְ בּוֹר שֶׁל מַיִם. אַתְּ רוֹאֶה אֶת הַהֵיתֵר כְּמִי שֶׁאֵינוֹ. וְהָאִיסּוּר אִם יֵשׁ בּוֹ בְּנוֹתֵן טַעַם אָסוּר. וְאִם לָאו מוּתָּר.
135From here to the end of the Halakhah the text is from Orlah 2:7 (ע), Notes 158–174. The text there is superior in the tradition both of text and of names.Ḥizqiah said, if somebody mixed a cup from forbidden and from permitted [wine], if the forbidden fell in [last]136Added from ע, needed for comprehension. it makes it forbidden, permitted [last] makes it permitted. Rebbi Samuel [bar Rav Isaac] said, this follows Rebbi Eliezer, as Rebbi Eliezer said, I am going after the last one137Mishnah `Orlah 2:10.. Rebbi Jeremiah said, this is a stringency about libation wine. Rebbi Yose asked, if it were a stringency about libation wine, even if the permitted fell in last it should be forbidden! Rebbi Assi127This is his Babli name; in the Yerushalmi he otherwise appears as R. Yasa. Possibly one also should read the Babylonian Ammi for Galilean Immi. in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan: if somebody mixed a cup from forbidden and from permitted [wine], one considers the permitted as nonexistent; if the forbidden does impart taste it is forbidden, otherwise permitted. Rebbi Hoshaia said, only if the permitted fell in last. Rebbi Immi in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan, it does not make any difference whether the forbidden fell in first and the permitted last or the permitted first and the forbidden last, even water and wine, even if it was mixed perfectly from permitted, one considers the permitted as nonexistent; if the forbidden does impart taste it is forbidden, otherwise permitted138Babli 73b.. Rebbi Ze`ira said, this has been said about the preceding; how can it be? Rebbi Yose ben Rebbi Abun, Rebbi Abbahu in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan, if a flask of libation wine fell into an amphora of (water)139In ע “wine” (permitted wine). Only this makes sense; otherwise there would be no need to mention two different vessels. and then it fell into a water cistern, one considers the permitted as nonexistent; if the forbidden does impart taste it is forbidden, otherwise permitted140Babli 73a..
135From here to the end of the Halakhah the text is from Orlah 2:7 (ע), Notes 158–174. The text there is superior in the tradition both of text and of names.Ḥizqiah said, if somebody mixed a cup from forbidden and from permitted [wine], if the forbidden fell in [last]136Added from ע, needed for comprehension. it makes it forbidden, permitted [last] makes it permitted. Rebbi Samuel [bar Rav Isaac] said, this follows Rebbi Eliezer, as Rebbi Eliezer said, I am going after the last one137Mishnah `Orlah 2:10.. Rebbi Jeremiah said, this is a stringency about libation wine. Rebbi Yose asked, if it were a stringency about libation wine, even if the permitted fell in last it should be forbidden! Rebbi Assi127This is his Babli name; in the Yerushalmi he otherwise appears as R. Yasa. Possibly one also should read the Babylonian Ammi for Galilean Immi. in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan: if somebody mixed a cup from forbidden and from permitted [wine], one considers the permitted as nonexistent; if the forbidden does impart taste it is forbidden, otherwise permitted. Rebbi Hoshaia said, only if the permitted fell in last. Rebbi Immi in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan, it does not make any difference whether the forbidden fell in first and the permitted last or the permitted first and the forbidden last, even water and wine, even if it was mixed perfectly from permitted, one considers the permitted as nonexistent; if the forbidden does impart taste it is forbidden, otherwise permitted138Babli 73b.. Rebbi Ze`ira said, this has been said about the preceding; how can it be? Rebbi Yose ben Rebbi Abun, Rebbi Abbahu in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan, if a flask of libation wine fell into an amphora of (water)139In ע “wine” (permitted wine). Only this makes sense; otherwise there would be no need to mention two different vessels. and then it fell into a water cistern, one considers the permitted as nonexistent; if the forbidden does impart taste it is forbidden, otherwise permitted140Babli 73a..
עַד כְּדוֹן בְּשֶׁנָּפְלוּ זֶה אַחַר זֶה. נָפְלוּ שְׁנַיִם כְּאַחַת. נִישְׁמְעִינָהּ מֵהָדָא. מֵאֵימָתַי חָמֵץ כּוּתִים מוּתָּר לְאַחַר הַפֶּסַח. שֶׁל בַּעֲלֵי בָּתִּים שָׁלֹשׁ שַׁבָּתוֹת שֶׁלַּאֲפִיָיה. וְשֶׁלְּנַחְתּוֹמִין בַּכְּרָכִים אַחַר ג׳ יָמִים. בַּכְּפָרִים אַחַר ג׳ תַּנּוּרִים. רִבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן אֶלְעָזָר אוֹמֵר. אַף כְּשֶׁאָמְרוּ. שֶׁלְּבַּעֲלֵי בָּתִּים אַחַר ג׳ שַׁבָּתוֹת שֶׁלַּאֲפִיָיה. וְהוּא שֶׁיָּהֵא אָדָם גָּדוֹל אוֹ שֶׁהָיָה מַשִּׂיא לִבְנוּ וְאָפָה ג׳ תַּנּוּרִין בְּשַׁבָּת אֶחָד זוּ אַחַר זוֹ מוֹתָּר. אַף כְּשֶׁאָמְרוּ שֶׁלְּנַחְתּוֹמִין בַּכְּפָרִין אַחַר ג׳ יָמִים. אִם נִדְחַק וְאָפָה ג׳ תַּנּוּרִין בְּיוֹם אֶחָד זֶה אַחַר זֶה מוֹתָּר. תַּנֵּי. רִבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן אוֹמֵר. אַף כְּשֶׁאָמְרוּ שֶׁלְּנַחְתּוֹמִין בַּכְּפָרִים אַחַר ג׳ תַּנּוּרִין. אָסוּר עַד ג׳ יָמִים. שֶׁמִּשַּׁחֲרִית בּוֹרֵר לוֹ שְׂאוֹר לְכָל אוֹתוֹ הָיּוֹם. אוֹתָהּ הָעִיסָּה הַשְּׁנִיָיה לֹא מֵאִיסּוּר וְהֵיתֵר מִתְחַמֶּצֶת. אָמַר רִבִּי יִרְמְיָה בְשֵׁם רֵישׁ לָקִישׁ. מָאן תַּנָּא חָמֵיצָן שֶׁלְּכוּתִים. רִבִּי לִעֶזֶר. אָמַר רִבִּי יוּסֵי לְרִבִּי חֲנִינָה עֵנְתוֹנַיָיא. נָהִירְתְּ דַּהֲוִיתוֹן מָרִין אַתְּ וְרִבִּי יִרְמְיָה בְשֵׁם רֵישׁ לָקִישׁ. מָאן תַּנָּא חָמֵיצָן שֶׁל כּוּתִים. רִבִּי לִיעֶזֶר. וְכָאן לָא הֲוִינָן מָרִין אֶלָּא רִבִּי הִילָא בְשֵׁם רֵישׁ לָקִישׁ. יָרְדוּ לְחָמֵיצָן שֶׁל כּוּתִים כְּרִבִּי לִיעֶזֶר. וְעוֹד מֵהָדָא דָּמַר רִבִּי חֲנַנְיָה בַּר רִבִּי אַבָּהוּ. אַבָּא הֲוָה לֵיהּ עוֹבְדָא. שָׁלַח שָׁאַל לְרִבִּי חִיָיה וּלְרִבִּמִּי וּלְרִבַּסִּי וְהוֹרוּן לֵיהּ כְּרִבִּי לִיעֶזֶר. מַה. וּכִיחִידָאָה מוֹרִין. לֹא. מִשׁוּם שֶׁיָּרְדוּ לְחָמֵיצָן שֶׁל כּוּתִים כְּרִבִּי לִיעֶזֶר.
So far when they fell in one after the other. What can one say if they fell together? Let us hear from the following141The text in parentheses (identical with that in `Orlah) was originally written by the scribe; the text in brackets is his correction.: “When is leavened matter of Samaritans permitted after Passover? Of private persons after three weekly bakings, of city bakers after three days, of rural ones after three baking loads.” Rebbi Simeon ben Eleazar says, even when they said of private persons after three weekly bakings, if he was an important personality or he married off his son, if he baked three loads in one week one after the other it is permitted. Even when they said of (rural) [city]142It is a practice universally accepted (probably by necessity when Sadducees were a viable Jewish sect), not a decision incorporated in a consistent theory of the law. bakers after three days, if he was under pressure and baked three loads one after the other, it is permitted. It was stated: Rebbi Simeon says, even when they said of rural bakers after three baking loads, it is forbidden at least three days since in the morning he prepares sourdough for the entire day.” Does the second dough not become sour from forbidden and permitted? And Rebbi Jeremiah said in the name of Rebbi Simeon ben Laqish, who is the Tanna of “the leavened matter of the Samaritans”? Rebbi Eliezer! And Rebbi Yose said to Rebbi Ḥanina Eyntanaya: Do you remember that you and Rebbi Jeremiah were instructing in the name of Rebbi Simeon ben Laqish, who is the Tanna of “the leavened matter of the Samaritans”? Rebbi Eliezer! But here we do not instruct so but Rebbi Hila in the name of Rebbi Simeon ben Laqish, they treated leavened matter of the Samaritans following Rebbi Eliezer. In addition from the following:: Rebbi Ḥananiah bar Rebbi Abbahu said, my father had a case; he sent to Rebbi Ḥiyya, and Rebbi Immi, and Rebbi Yasa, and they instructed him following Rebbi Eliezer. How? Would they instruct following an isolated opinion? No, since they treated leavened matter of the Samaritans following Rebbi Eliezer142It is a practice universally accepted (probably by necessity when Sadducees were a viable Jewish sect), not a decision incorporated in a consistent theory of the law..
So far when they fell in one after the other. What can one say if they fell together? Let us hear from the following141The text in parentheses (identical with that in `Orlah) was originally written by the scribe; the text in brackets is his correction.: “When is leavened matter of Samaritans permitted after Passover? Of private persons after three weekly bakings, of city bakers after three days, of rural ones after three baking loads.” Rebbi Simeon ben Eleazar says, even when they said of private persons after three weekly bakings, if he was an important personality or he married off his son, if he baked three loads in one week one after the other it is permitted. Even when they said of (rural) [city]142It is a practice universally accepted (probably by necessity when Sadducees were a viable Jewish sect), not a decision incorporated in a consistent theory of the law. bakers after three days, if he was under pressure and baked three loads one after the other, it is permitted. It was stated: Rebbi Simeon says, even when they said of rural bakers after three baking loads, it is forbidden at least three days since in the morning he prepares sourdough for the entire day.” Does the second dough not become sour from forbidden and permitted? And Rebbi Jeremiah said in the name of Rebbi Simeon ben Laqish, who is the Tanna of “the leavened matter of the Samaritans”? Rebbi Eliezer! And Rebbi Yose said to Rebbi Ḥanina Eyntanaya: Do you remember that you and Rebbi Jeremiah were instructing in the name of Rebbi Simeon ben Laqish, who is the Tanna of “the leavened matter of the Samaritans”? Rebbi Eliezer! But here we do not instruct so but Rebbi Hila in the name of Rebbi Simeon ben Laqish, they treated leavened matter of the Samaritans following Rebbi Eliezer. In addition from the following:: Rebbi Ḥananiah bar Rebbi Abbahu said, my father had a case; he sent to Rebbi Ḥiyya, and Rebbi Immi, and Rebbi Yasa, and they instructed him following Rebbi Eliezer. How? Would they instruct following an isolated opinion? No, since they treated leavened matter of the Samaritans following Rebbi Eliezer142It is a practice universally accepted (probably by necessity when Sadducees were a viable Jewish sect), not a decision incorporated in a consistent theory of the law..
אָמַר רִבִּי מָנִי קוֹמֵי רִבִּי יוֹסֵי. כְּמַה דַתְּ מַר תַּמָּן. הֲלָכָה כְרִבִּי לִיעֶזֶר. אוּף הָכָא הֲלָכָה כְרִבִּי לִיעֶזֶר. אָמַר לֵיהּ. וּלְכָל דִבָּה.
Rebbi Mani said before Rebbi Yose: as you are saying there143In matters of leavened matter; does this apply to all cases of food prohibited in the most minute amount? The answer is negative., “practice follows Rebbi Eliezer”, also here practice follows Rebbi Eliezer. He said to him, for everything144The scribe also wrote דבה in `Orlah but there corrected to דבר. The form דִּבָּה, Accadic dibbu, should be acknowledged, but it is not clear whether this is learned Hebrew speech or popular Aramaic.?
Rebbi Mani said before Rebbi Yose: as you are saying there143In matters of leavened matter; does this apply to all cases of food prohibited in the most minute amount? The answer is negative., “practice follows Rebbi Eliezer”, also here practice follows Rebbi Eliezer. He said to him, for everything144The scribe also wrote דבה in `Orlah but there corrected to דבר. The form דִּבָּה, Accadic dibbu, should be acknowledged, but it is not clear whether this is learned Hebrew speech or popular Aramaic.?