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10:8:1

משנה: הַמַּלְוֶה אֶת חֲבֵירוֹ עַל יְדֵי עָרָב לֹא יִפָּרַע מִן הֶעָרָב. אִם אָמַר עַל מְנָת שֶׁאֶפָּרַע מִמִּי שֶׁאֶרְצֶה יִפָּרַע מִן הֶעָרָב. רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל אָמַר אִם יֵשׁ נְכָסִים לַלּוֹוֶה בֵּין כָּךְ וּבֵין כָּךְ לֹא יִיפָּרַע מִן הֶעָרָב.

MISHNAH: Somebody who gives a loan to another person with a guarantor may not request payment from the guarantor97The guarantor may be asked to pay only if the debtor was asked first and is unable or unwilling to pay. (In all three forms of law practices in Roman Egypt, the creditor always had the choice of first suing the surety.). If he said, on condition that I may request payment from whom I choose, he may ask payment from the guarantor. Rabban Simeon ben Gamliel said, if the debtor has real estate then in no case may he request payment from the guarantor98In his opinion, the creditor must first foreclose on the real estate before going to the guarantor..

MISHNAH: Somebody who gives a loan to another person with a guarantor may not request payment from the guarantor97The guarantor may be asked to pay only if the debtor was asked first and is unable or unwilling to pay. (In all three forms of law practices in Roman Egypt, the creditor always had the choice of first suing the surety.). If he said, on condition that I may request payment from whom I choose, he may ask payment from the guarantor. Rabban Simeon ben Gamliel said, if the debtor has real estate then in no case may he request payment from the guarantor98In his opinion, the creditor must first foreclose on the real estate before going to the guarantor..

10:8:2

הלכה: הַמַּלְוֶה אֶת חֲבֵירוֹ עַל יְדֵי עָרָב כול׳. רִבִּי אַבָּהוּ בְשֵׁם רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן. בְּשֶׁיֵּשׁ נְכָסִים לַלּוֹוֶה. אֲבָל אֵין נְכָסִים לַלּוֹוֶה יִפָּרַע מִן הֶעָרָב. וְאִם אָמַר. עַל מְנָת שֶׁאֶפָּרַע מִמִּי שֶׁאֶרְצֶה. יִפָּרַע מִן הֶעָרָב וַאֲפִילוּ יֵשׁ נְכָסִים לַלּוֹוֶה.

HALAKHAH: “Somebody who gives a loan to another person with a guarantor,” etc. Rebbi Abbahu in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan: If the debtor has real estate. But if the debtor has no real estate, he may request payment from the guarantor. If he said, on condition that I may request payment from whom I choose, he may request payment from the guarantor99The Babli, 173b, disagrees, also in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan, requiring the creditor under any circumstances first to foreclose the debtor’s real estate, except if the debt had been assumed by another person..

HALAKHAH: “Somebody who gives a loan to another person with a guarantor,” etc. Rebbi Abbahu in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan: If the debtor has real estate. But if the debtor has no real estate, he may request payment from the guarantor. If he said, on condition that I may request payment from whom I choose, he may request payment from the guarantor99The Babli, 173b, disagrees, also in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan, requiring the creditor under any circumstances first to foreclose the debtor’s real estate, except if the debt had been assumed by another person..

10:8:3

תַּמָּן מָרִין. בְּכָל מָקוֹם הֲלָכָה כְרַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל חוּץ מֵעָרָב וְצַיידָן וּרְאָיָיה אֲחֲרוֹנָה. אָמְרִין. וּבִלְבַד בְּמִשְׁנָתֵינוּ. רִבִּי אִמִּי בַּר קָרְחָה בְשֵׁם רַב. וְלָמָּה אָמְרוּ. בְּכָל מָקוֹם הֲלָכָה כְרַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל. שֶׁהֲלָכוֹת קְצוּבוֹת הָיָה אוֹמֵר מִפִּי בֵית דִּינוֹ.

There100In Babylonia (Babli 174a in the name of R. Joḥanan.), they instruct that practice everywhere follows Rabban Simeon ben Gamliel except for the guarantor101The Mishnah here, Bava batra10:14., Sidon102Mishnah Giṭṭin 5:5., and the last proof103Mishnah Sanhedrin 3:13 (in most Mishnah editions, the last statement of Rabban Simeon in Mishnah 3:8 dealing with the right of the parties to submit proof to the court out of order.). They say, only in the Mishnah104But not in the baraitot. The Babli agrees, loc. cit.. Rebbi Immi bar Qorḥa in the name of Rav: Why did they say, practice everywhere follows Rabban Simeon ben Gamliel? For he pronounced specific practices decided by his court105His pronuncements have the status of precedents decided by the Supreme Court..

There100In Babylonia (Babli 174a in the name of R. Joḥanan.), they instruct that practice everywhere follows Rabban Simeon ben Gamliel except for the guarantor101The Mishnah here, Bava batra10:14., Sidon102Mishnah Giṭṭin 5:5., and the last proof103Mishnah Sanhedrin 3:13 (in most Mishnah editions, the last statement of Rabban Simeon in Mishnah 3:8 dealing with the right of the parties to submit proof to the court out of order.). They say, only in the Mishnah104But not in the baraitot. The Babli agrees, loc. cit.. Rebbi Immi bar Qorḥa in the name of Rav: Why did they say, practice everywhere follows Rabban Simeon ben Gamliel? For he pronounced specific practices decided by his court105His pronuncements have the status of precedents decided by the Supreme Court..

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  • Hebrew: The Jerusalem Talmud, edition by Heinrich W. Guggenheimer. Berlin, De Gruyter, 1999-2015 · License: CC-BY
  • English: The Jerusalem Talmud, translation and commentary by Heinrich W. Guggenheimer. Berlin, De Gruyter, 1999-2015 · License: CC-BY

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