Talmud Yerushalmi
Yerushalmi Bava Kamma 10:1 ירושלמי בבא קמא י׳:א׳
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משנה: הַגּוֹזֵל וּמַאֲכִיל אֶת בָּנָיו וּמַנִּיחַ לִפְנֵיהֶן פְּטוּרִין מִלְּשַׁלֵּם. אִם הָיָה דָבָר שֶׁיֵּשׁ בּוֹ אַחֵרָיוּת נְכָסִים חַיָיבִין לְשַׁלֵּם. אֵין פּוֹרְטִין לֹא מִתֵּיבַת הַמּוֹכְסִין וְלֹא מִכִּיס שֶׁל גַּבָּאִין וְאֵין נוֹטְלִין מֵהֶם צְדָקָה אֲבָל נוֹטֵל הוּא מִתּוֹךְ בֵּיתוֹ אוֹ מִן הַשּׁוּק.
MISHNAH: If somebody robbed to feed his children and they inherited from him, they are not liable to pay1Even if they were the ones benefiting from the robbery.; if it was mortgageable property they have to pay2A different formulation is in the Halakhah: “they have to return it”; cf. Note 14.. One changes money3To exchange small coins for large or vice-versa. But one may take from them coins as change from a large coin used to pay the tolls even though the coins probably were taken by extortion. neither from the chest of the publican4The Mishnah presupposes the system of toll and tax farming where the contractor paid the government the expected amount of taxes in advance and then had to collect more than that amount to pay his employees and to make a profit. Since therefore he had to instruct his employees to collect more than was due by the government’s computation, there is no toll or tax collector’s box which does not contain money tainted by extortion. nor the wallet of the tax collector and one does not accept charity from these, but one accepts from their house5Charity given by the publican or tax collector from his private money is not tainted; only that money collected in the course of his duty necessarily contains extortion money. or from the market place5Charity given by the publican or tax collector from his private money is not tainted; only that money collected in the course of his duty necessarily contains extortion money..
MISHNAH: If somebody robbed to feed his children and they inherited from him, they are not liable to pay1Even if they were the ones benefiting from the robbery.; if it was mortgageable property they have to pay2A different formulation is in the Halakhah: “they have to return it”; cf. Note 14.. One changes money3To exchange small coins for large or vice-versa. But one may take from them coins as change from a large coin used to pay the tolls even though the coins probably were taken by extortion. neither from the chest of the publican4The Mishnah presupposes the system of toll and tax farming where the contractor paid the government the expected amount of taxes in advance and then had to collect more than that amount to pay his employees and to make a profit. Since therefore he had to instruct his employees to collect more than was due by the government’s computation, there is no toll or tax collector’s box which does not contain money tainted by extortion. nor the wallet of the tax collector and one does not accept charity from these, but one accepts from their house5Charity given by the publican or tax collector from his private money is not tainted; only that money collected in the course of his duty necessarily contains extortion money. or from the market place5Charity given by the publican or tax collector from his private money is not tainted; only that money collected in the course of his duty necessarily contains extortion money..
הלכה: הַגּוֹזֵל וּמַאֲכִיל אֶת בָּנָיו כול׳. תַּנֵּי. יִשְׂרָאֵל שֶׁלּוֹוֶה בְרִיבִּית וְעָשָׂה תְשׁוּבָה חַיָיב לְהַחֲזִיר. מֵת וְהִנִּיחַ לִפְנֵי בָנָיו עָלָיו הַכָּתוּב אוֹמֵר יָכִין וְצַדִּיק יִלְבָּשׁ. הִנִּיחַ לִפְנֵיהֶן פָּרָה אוֹ טַלִּית חַיָיבִין לְהַחֲזִיר. אֲזַל תְּנַיָיהּ לִגְזֵילָיָיא.
HALAKHAH: “If somebody robbed to feed his children,” etc. It was stated7Tosephta Bava meṣi‘a 5:25–26; in a different version Babli 94b.: “A Jew who is engaged in lending with interest and repented, has to return it8The ill-gotten gains.. If he died and left it to his children, about him the verse says ‘he prepares but the just will wear it.9Job 27:17. As usual, the reference is to the part of the verse not quoted: “he (the sinner) distributes clean money.”’ If he left them a cow or a stole, they have to return it.” He went and stated that for robberies10Even though the statement starts with illegal interest income, it is not usual to obtain a cow or a stole as interest. The last sentence, therefore, has to refer to robbed goods..
HALAKHAH: “If somebody robbed to feed his children,” etc. It was stated7Tosephta Bava meṣi‘a 5:25–26; in a different version Babli 94b.: “A Jew who is engaged in lending with interest and repented, has to return it8The ill-gotten gains.. If he died and left it to his children, about him the verse says ‘he prepares but the just will wear it.9Job 27:17. As usual, the reference is to the part of the verse not quoted: “he (the sinner) distributes clean money.”’ If he left them a cow or a stole, they have to return it.” He went and stated that for robberies10Even though the statement starts with illegal interest income, it is not usual to obtain a cow or a stole as interest. The last sentence, therefore, has to refer to robbed goods..
אִם הָיָה דָבָר שֶׁיֵּשׁ לוֹ אַחֵרָיוּת חַיָיבִין לְהַחֲזִיר. אֵי זֶהוּ דָבָר שֶׁיֵּשׁ לוֹ אַחֵרָיוּת. רִבִּי יוֹנָתָן אוֹמֵר. בְּשֶׁהִנִּיחַ לִפְנֵיהֶן קַרְקַע. רֵישׁ לָקִישׁ אָמַר. בְשֶׁהִנִּיחַ לִפְנֵיהֶן גּוּף הַגְּזֵילָה. רַב אָמַר. יוֹרֵשׁ כִּמְשׁוּעְבָּד. כְּשֵׁם שֶׁאֵין מִלְוָה בְעֵדִים גּוֹבָה מִמְּשׁוּעְבָּדִין כָּךְ אֵינָהּ גּוֹבָה מִיּוֹרשִׁין. שְׁמוּאֵל אָמַר. דְּאִיקנֵי אֵינוֹ גוֹבֶה מִמְּשׁוּעְבָּדִין. הָא מִּבְּנֵי חָרֵי גוֹבֶה. וְלֵית הִיא פְלִיגָא עַל רַב. דְּרַב אָמַר. יוֹרֵשׁ כִּמְשׁוּעְבָּד. כְּשֵׁם שֶׁאֵין מִלְוָה בְעֵדִים גּוֹבָה מִמְּשׁוּעְבָּדִין כָּךְ אֵינָהּ גּוֹבָה מִיּוֹרשִׁין. פָּתַר לָהּ בְּשֶׁהִנִּיחַ לִפְנֵיהֶן קַרְקַע. וַאֲפִילוּ כִשְׁמוּאֵל לֵית הִיא פְלִיגָא. לֹא כֵן אָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל. דְּאִיקנֵי אֵינוֹ גוֹבֶה מִמְּשׁוּעְבָּדִין. פָּתַר לָהּ בְּשֶׁהִנִּיחַ לִפְנֵיהֶן גּוּף הַגְּזֵילָה.
“If it was mortgageable property they have to return it.” What is mortgageable property? Rebbi Jonathan says, if they inherited real estate. Rebbi Simeon ben Laqish said, if they inherited robbed items11The Babli, 113a, quotes this in the name of Rebbi; E reads “Joḥanan” instead of Jonathan.. Rav said, an heir is like the holder of encumbered property. Just as a loan executed before witnesses cannot be collected from encumbered property, so it cannot be collected from heirs12Giṭṭin 3:8 (Note 146), 8:7 (Note 104), Bava meṣi‘a 1:6; Babli 111b (in the name of Rami bar Ḥama). A loan executed without a public document is not subject to a title search; the loan cannot be collected either from mortgaged property or from the innocent buyer of property pledged for the oral loan.. Samuel said, what was received cannot be foreclosed on mortgaged property, but on free property it can be foreclosed13Babli 111b, in the name of Rava. Since the loan made before witnesses can be collected from unencumbered property, it can be collected from unencumbered property of the estate.
In the Babli, Bava batra 175b, Samuel agrees with Rav that an undocumented loan cannot be collected from the heirs; the opinion expressed here, that it can be enforced against the heirs but not against buyers of the property, is attributed there (176a) to Rav Pappa and declared judicial practice.. But does [the Mishnah] not disagree with Rav? Since Rav said, an heir is like a holder of encumbered property; just as a loan executed before witnesses cannot be collected from encumbered property, so it cannot be foreclosed from heirs14But the Mishnah requires robbed real estate to be paid for. The question makes sense only in the formulation of the Mishnah, not the quote at the beginning of the present paragraph since both R. Jonathan and R. Simeon ben Laqish agree that originally robbed real estate available after the robber’s death must be returned to its original owners.. Explain it if he left them real estate15There is no question of “paying for it”, only of “returning it.”. But might it16The Mishnah. not disagree with Samuel? Did not Samuel say, what was received cannot be foreclosed on mortgaged property? Explain it if they inherited robbed items17Which has to be returned according to everybody, for reasons other than the rules of foreclosure..
“If it was mortgageable property they have to return it.” What is mortgageable property? Rebbi Jonathan says, if they inherited real estate. Rebbi Simeon ben Laqish said, if they inherited robbed items11The Babli, 113a, quotes this in the name of Rebbi; E reads “Joḥanan” instead of Jonathan.. Rav said, an heir is like the holder of encumbered property. Just as a loan executed before witnesses cannot be collected from encumbered property, so it cannot be collected from heirs12Giṭṭin 3:8 (Note 146), 8:7 (Note 104), Bava meṣi‘a 1:6; Babli 111b (in the name of Rami bar Ḥama). A loan executed without a public document is not subject to a title search; the loan cannot be collected either from mortgaged property or from the innocent buyer of property pledged for the oral loan.. Samuel said, what was received cannot be foreclosed on mortgaged property, but on free property it can be foreclosed13Babli 111b, in the name of Rava. Since the loan made before witnesses can be collected from unencumbered property, it can be collected from unencumbered property of the estate.
In the Babli, Bava batra 175b, Samuel agrees with Rav that an undocumented loan cannot be collected from the heirs; the opinion expressed here, that it can be enforced against the heirs but not against buyers of the property, is attributed there (176a) to Rav Pappa and declared judicial practice.. But does [the Mishnah] not disagree with Rav? Since Rav said, an heir is like a holder of encumbered property; just as a loan executed before witnesses cannot be collected from encumbered property, so it cannot be foreclosed from heirs14But the Mishnah requires robbed real estate to be paid for. The question makes sense only in the formulation of the Mishnah, not the quote at the beginning of the present paragraph since both R. Jonathan and R. Simeon ben Laqish agree that originally robbed real estate available after the robber’s death must be returned to its original owners.. Explain it if he left them real estate15There is no question of “paying for it”, only of “returning it.”. But might it16The Mishnah. not disagree with Samuel? Did not Samuel say, what was received cannot be foreclosed on mortgaged property? Explain it if they inherited robbed items17Which has to be returned according to everybody, for reasons other than the rules of foreclosure..
גָּזַל טַלִּית וּנְתָנָהּ לְאַחֵר. רִבִּי לָעְזָר בְּשֵׁם רִבִּי חִיָיה אָמַר. מוֹצִיאִין מֵרִאשׁוֹן וְלֹא מִשֵּׁינִי. רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן אָמַר בְּשֵׁם רִבִּי יַנַּאי. מוֹצִיאִין אַף מִן הַשֵּׁינִי. רִבִּי בָּא בַּר מָמָל אָמַר. אַף רִבִּי חִיָיה כְדַעְתֵּיהּ. דְּרִבִּי חִיָיה אָמַר. מוֹצִיאִין אַף מִשֵּׁינִי.
18This is a reformulation of the discussion in Terumot 7:5, Notes 92–95. The Babli, 115a, deals with the case that the robber sold the garment. If he robbed a stole and gave it to another person. Rebbi Eleazar said in the name of Rebbi Ḥiyya, one takes away from the first one but not from the second19Tosephta 10:20.. Rebbi Joḥanan in the name of Rebbi Yannai said, one takes away even from the second. Rebbi Abba bar Mamal said, even Rebbi Ḥiyya will agree with this since Rebbi Ḥiyya said, one takes away even from the second20In this version, R. Abba bar Mamal contradicts R. Eleazar. In the version of Terumot, one only states that R. Ḥiyya agrees that the robber cannot be sued if the recipient voluntarily gives the item back to its original owner..
18This is a reformulation of the discussion in Terumot 7:5, Notes 92–95. The Babli, 115a, deals with the case that the robber sold the garment. If he robbed a stole and gave it to another person. Rebbi Eleazar said in the name of Rebbi Ḥiyya, one takes away from the first one but not from the second19Tosephta 10:20.. Rebbi Joḥanan in the name of Rebbi Yannai said, one takes away even from the second. Rebbi Abba bar Mamal said, even Rebbi Ḥiyya will agree with this since Rebbi Ḥiyya said, one takes away even from the second20In this version, R. Abba bar Mamal contradicts R. Eleazar. In the version of Terumot, one only states that R. Ḥiyya agrees that the robber cannot be sued if the recipient voluntarily gives the item back to its original owner..
נִתְחַלְּפוּ כֵלָיו בְּבֵית הָאוּמָּן יִשְׁתַּמֵּשׁ בָּהֶן וְיֵצֵא וִיבַקֵּשׁ אֶת שֶׁלּוֹ. בְּבֵית הָאֶבֶל אוֹ בְּבֵית הַמִּשְׁתֶּה אַל יִשְׁתַּמֵּשׁ בָּהֶן אֶלָּא יֵצֵא וִיבַקֵּשׁ אֶת שֶׁלּוֹ. אָמַר רִבִּי בָּא בַּר חָנָה. לֹא הֲוָה רִבִּי חִיָיה חֲבִיבִי פָּתַר לָהּ אֶלָּא כְגוֹן הָדֵין בַּר קוֹרָא. שֶׁכָּל הַנּוֹטֵל מֵאֶצְלוֹ נוֹטֵל בִּרְשׁוּת וְכָל הַמֵּנִיחַ אֶצְלוֹ מֵנִיחַ בִּרְשׁוּת.
If his vessels were switched at the artisan’s he may use them while he goes out and searches for his own. At a mourner’s house or at a wedding, he may not use them while he goes out and searches for his own21Babli Bava batra 46a, where the difference between both rules is explained it is stated that the artisan may sometimes sell vessels on the order of their owner whereas a switch at a social function always is in error.. Rebbi Abba bar Ḥanan said, my uncle Rebbi Ḥiyya explained this22The permission to use the artisan’s vessels. only as in the case of one Bar Qora where everybody who takes from him takes by permission and everybody who puts something up there does so with permission.
If his vessels were switched at the artisan’s he may use them while he goes out and searches for his own. At a mourner’s house or at a wedding, he may not use them while he goes out and searches for his own21Babli Bava batra 46a, where the difference between both rules is explained it is stated that the artisan may sometimes sell vessels on the order of their owner whereas a switch at a social function always is in error.. Rebbi Abba bar Ḥanan said, my uncle Rebbi Ḥiyya explained this22The permission to use the artisan’s vessels. only as in the case of one Bar Qora where everybody who takes from him takes by permission and everybody who puts something up there does so with permission.
הַגַּנָּבִים שֶׁבָּאוּ בַּמַּחְתֶּרֶת וְעָשׂוּ תְשׁוּבָה חַיָיבִין לְהַחֲזִיר. עָשָׂה אֶחָד מֵהֶן תְּשׁוּבָה חַיָיב לְהַחֲזִיר אֶת שֶלּוֹ. וְאִם הָיָה מוֹצִיא וְנוֹתֵן לָהֶן הוּא מְשַׁלֵּם עַל יְדֵי כוּלָּן.
23Tosephta 10:39.“If thieves who stole by stealth repented, they have to make restitution24To clear their consciences. There is no question of double restitution which is possible only by judgment.. If one of a gang repented, he has to make restitution for himself. But if he traded for them25If he traded the loot to fences and distributed the money among the gang, he is responsible for the fact that the victims of the theft cannot recover their property., he has to make restitution for all of them.”
23Tosephta 10:39.“If thieves who stole by stealth repented, they have to make restitution24To clear their consciences. There is no question of double restitution which is possible only by judgment.. If one of a gang repented, he has to make restitution for himself. But if he traded for them25If he traded the loot to fences and distributed the money among the gang, he is responsible for the fact that the victims of the theft cannot recover their property., he has to make restitution for all of them.”
תַּנֵּי. הַגּוֹזֵל וּמַאֲכִיל בָּנָיו בֵּין גְּדוֹלִים בֵּין קְטַנִּים פְּטוּרִין מִלְּשַׁלֵּם. הִנִּיחַ לִפְנֵיהֶן בֵּין גְּדוֹלִים בֵּין קְטַנִּים חַיָיבין לְשַׁלֵּם. סוּמַּכוֹס אוֹמֵר. גְּדוֹלִים חַיָיבִין קְטַנִּים פְּטוּרִין. אִם אָמְרוּ. אֵין אָנוּ יוֹדְעִין אִם עָשָׂה אָבִינוּ חֶשְׁבּוֹן בָּאַחֲרוֹנָה הֲרֵי אֵילּוּ פְטוּרִין. הָתִיב רִבִּי בָּא בַּר מָמָל. הַגַּע עַצְמָךְ בְּשֶׁהִנִּיחַ לִפְנֵיהֶן קַרְקַע. לֹא הַכֹּל מֵהֶן לוֹמַר. אֵין אָנוּ יוֹדְעִין מַה חֶשְׁבּוֹן עָשָׂה אָבִינוּ בָּאַחֲרוֹנָה. הָתִיב רַב הַמְנוּנָא. הַגַּע עַצְמָךְ שֶׁהָיְתָה גְזֵילָה מְפוּרְסֶמֶת. לֹא הַכֹּל מֵהֶן לוֹמַר. אֵין אָנוּ יוֹדְעִין מַה עָשָׂה אָבִינוּ חֶשְׁבּוֹן בָּאַחֲרוֹנָה. הָתִיב רַב שֵׁשֶׁת. אֲפִילוּ קְטַנִּים נִטְעֲנִין לָהֶן בְּבֵית דִּין. מָה אִית לָךְ לְמֵימַר. אָמַר רִבִּי מָנָא. תִּיפְתָּר בְּשֶׁטָּעֲנוּ הֵן. אֵין אָנוּ יוֹדְעִין כול׳. יָדְעִין אֲנָן דַּעֲסַק אֲבוּנָן עִמָּךְ עַל הָדֵין חוּשְׁבְּנָא. וְלֵית נָן יָדְעִין מַה נְפַק מִדִּינָא.
It was stated26Tosephta 10:21; Babli 112a.: “If somebody robbed to feed his children, whether adult or underage, they are not liable to pay. If they inherited from him, both adult and underage are liable to pay. Symmachos says, the adults are liable, the underaged are not liable27The underaged cannot be sued since they have no standing in court and no witnesses in civil suits are admitted without both parties being present. Underaged heirs can be sued in court only in foreclosure proceedings based on documents, in which case the court will appoint a guardian who can examine the validity of the document for them.. If they said, we do not know whether our father accounted for it at the end, they are not liable.” Rebbi Abba bar Mamal objected: Think of it, if they inherited real estate, they are not able to say, we do not know whether our father accounted for it at the end28The Mishnah states unconditionally that robbed real estate has to be returned.. Rav Hamnuna objected: Think of it, if it was a notorious robbery; they are not able to say, we do not know whether our father accounted for it at the end. Rav Sheshet objected: For the underaged the court will argue29The court-appointed attorney will argue for the underaged that they cannot know whether their father arranged himself with his victim.. What can you say? Rebbi Mana said, explain it if they argue, we do not know, etc., we know that our father was in dispute with you on this account, but we do not know how it was resolved30This is a credible defense; the claimant either has to prove that there were no contacts or provide documentary proof that the claim was not settled..
It was stated26Tosephta 10:21; Babli 112a.: “If somebody robbed to feed his children, whether adult or underage, they are not liable to pay. If they inherited from him, both adult and underage are liable to pay. Symmachos says, the adults are liable, the underaged are not liable27The underaged cannot be sued since they have no standing in court and no witnesses in civil suits are admitted without both parties being present. Underaged heirs can be sued in court only in foreclosure proceedings based on documents, in which case the court will appoint a guardian who can examine the validity of the document for them.. If they said, we do not know whether our father accounted for it at the end, they are not liable.” Rebbi Abba bar Mamal objected: Think of it, if they inherited real estate, they are not able to say, we do not know whether our father accounted for it at the end28The Mishnah states unconditionally that robbed real estate has to be returned.. Rav Hamnuna objected: Think of it, if it was a notorious robbery; they are not able to say, we do not know whether our father accounted for it at the end. Rav Sheshet objected: For the underaged the court will argue29The court-appointed attorney will argue for the underaged that they cannot know whether their father arranged himself with his victim.. What can you say? Rebbi Mana said, explain it if they argue, we do not know, etc., we know that our father was in dispute with you on this account, but we do not know how it was resolved30This is a credible defense; the claimant either has to prove that there were no contacts or provide documentary proof that the claim was not settled..