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9:5:1

משנה: נָתַן צֶמֶר לַצַּבָּע וְהִקְדִּיחֳהּ הַיּוֹרָה נוֹתֵן לוֹ דְּמֵי צַמְרוֹ. צְבָעוֹ כָאוּר אִם הַשְּׁבָח יֶתֶר עַל הַהוֹצָאָה נוֹתֵן לוֹ אֶת הַיְצִיאָה וְאִם הַיְצִיאָה יְתֵירָה עַל הַשְּׁבָח נוֹתֵן לוֹ אֶת הַשְּׁבָח. לִצְבּוֹעַ לוֹ אָדוֹם וּצְבָאוֹ שָׁחוֹר שָׁחוֹר וּצְבָאוֹ אָדוֹם רִבִּי מֵאִיר אוֹמֵר נוֹתֵן לוֹ דְּמֵי צַמְרוֹ. רִבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר אִם הַשְּׁבָח יֶתֶר עַל הַיְצִיאָה נוֹתֵן לוֹ אֶת הַיְצִיאָה וְאִם הַיְצִיאָה יְתֵירָה עַל הַשְּׁבָח נוֹתֵן לוֹ אֶת הַשְּׁבָח.

MISHNAH: If one gave wool to the dyer and the vat burned it, he gives him the value of his wool47,By his unprofessional work he changed the material from his prior state and acquired it as his property for which he has to pay.48In this case, the material is lost; it is impossible to refer to improved value.. If he dyed it poorly, if the increased value is more than the expenses49The dyer’s cash expenses for dye and fuel., he gives him his expenses; if the expenses are more than the increased value he gives him the increased value.
To dye it red and he dyed it black, black and he dyed it red, Rebbi Meïr says, he gives him the value of his wool47By his unprofessional work he changed the material from his prior state and acquired it as his property for which he has to pay.. Rebbi Jehudah says, if the increased value is more than the expenses, he gives him his expenses; if the expenses are more than the increased value he gives him the increased value.

MISHNAH: If one gave wool to the dyer and the vat burned it, he gives him the value of his wool47,By his unprofessional work he changed the material from his prior state and acquired it as his property for which he has to pay.48In this case, the material is lost; it is impossible to refer to improved value.. If he dyed it poorly, if the increased value is more than the expenses49The dyer’s cash expenses for dye and fuel., he gives him his expenses; if the expenses are more than the increased value he gives him the increased value.
To dye it red and he dyed it black, black and he dyed it red, Rebbi Meïr says, he gives him the value of his wool47By his unprofessional work he changed the material from his prior state and acquired it as his property for which he has to pay.. Rebbi Jehudah says, if the increased value is more than the expenses, he gives him his expenses; if the expenses are more than the increased value he gives him the increased value.

9:5:2

הלכה: נָתַן צֶמֶר לַצַּבָּע כול׳. רַב הוּנָא אָמַר. שֶׁהִקְדִּיחוּ סַמְמָנִין. אֲבָל הִקְדִּיחָה יוֹרָה אוֹמֵר לוֹ. הֲרֵי שֶׁלָּךְ לְפָנֶיךָ. שְׁמוּאֵל אָמַר. אֲפִילוּ הִקְדִּיחוּ סַמְמָנִין אוֹמֵר לוֹ. הֲרֵי שֶׁלָּךְ לְפָנֶיךָ.

HALAKHAH: “If one gave wool to the dyer,” etc. Rav Huna said, if chemicals burned it50The dye ruined the wool., but if the vat burned it51By overheating with too little fluid in the vat before dye was added. Then the wool was not changed from its original state. Rav Huna has to emend the text of the Mishnah., he may say to him: Here is your property before you. Samuel said, even52This means: Only if chemicals burned it; otherwise one follows the text of the Mishnah. if chemicals burned it, he may say to him: Here is your property before you.

HALAKHAH: “If one gave wool to the dyer,” etc. Rav Huna said, if chemicals burned it50The dye ruined the wool., but if the vat burned it51By overheating with too little fluid in the vat before dye was added. Then the wool was not changed from its original state. Rav Huna has to emend the text of the Mishnah., he may say to him: Here is your property before you. Samuel said, even52This means: Only if chemicals burned it; otherwise one follows the text of the Mishnah. if chemicals burned it, he may say to him: Here is your property before you.

9:5:3

מָהוּ אִם הַשְּׁבָח יֶתֶר עַל הַהוֹצָאָה נוֹתֵן לוֹ הַהוֹצָאָה. בַּר נַשׁ דִּיהַב לְחַבְרֵיהּ חֲמִשָּׁה מִינֵי עֲמַר וַחֲמִשָּׁה מִינֵי סַמְמָנִין וָעֲשָׂרָה מָנוֹי אַגְרֵיהּ. אֲמַר לֵיהּ. צִיבְעֵיהּ סוֹמַק וּצְבָעֵיהּ אוּכָּם. אֲמַר לֵיהּ. אִילּוּ צְבַעְתֵּיהּ סוֹמַק הֲוָה טָב עֶשְׂרִים וַחֲמִשָּׁה מָנוֹי וּכְדוּ דִצְבַעְתֵּיהּ אוּכָּם לֵית הוּא טָב אֶלָּא עֶשְׂרִין מָנוֹי. אַתְּ אוֹבַדְתְּ דִּידָךְ. אֲנָא לָא אוֹבֵד דִּידִי. אָמַר רִבִּי יוֹנָה. וְתִשְׁמַע מִינֵּהּ. בַּר נַשׁ דִּיהַב לְחַבְרֵיהּ ח̇ דֵּינָרִין דִּזְבִין לֵיהּ חִיטִּין מִטִּיבֵּרִיָּה וּזְבַן לֵיהּ מִצִּיפּוֹרִי. אֲמַר לֵיהּ. אִילּוּ זְבַנְתְּ לִי מִטִּיבֵּרִיָּא הֲווֹן עֶשְׂרִין וַחֲמִשָּׁה מוֹדִיי. כְּדוֹן דִּזְבַנְתְּ מִצִּיפּוֹרִי לֵיתְנוּן אֶלָּא עֶשְׂרִין מוֹדִיי. אַתְּ אוֹבַדְתְּ דִּידָךְ. אֲנָא לָא אוֹבֵד דִּידִי.

What means “if the increased value is more than the expenses, he gives him his expenses”? A person gave to another five lots53The translation follows the reading of E and Tosaphot 100b, s.v. אם, which read מנוי “portions” rather than מיני “kinds”. The same reading is found in שיטה מקובצת ad 100b. E starts the sentence by: אית בר נש “there is a man”. of wool, five portions of dye, and ten minas for his wages. He told him, dye it red, but the other dyed it black. He told him, if you had dyed it red, it would have been worth 25 minas, now that you dyed it black it is worth only 20 minas. You lost yours, I did not lose mine54He deducts 5 minas from the dyer’s wages. This argument is about value, not cost.. Rebbi Jonah55E and שיטה מקובצת read: R. Yose. said, you can understand from here that if a person gave to another eight denars to buy for him wheat in Tiberias but he bought for him in Sepphoris, he may say to him, if you had bought for me in Tiberias there would have been 25 modii56Modius, a Roman measure of volume, 64 quartarii, about 8.51, 2/3 of a se’ah.; now that you bought in Sepphoris there are only 20 modii. You lost yours, I did not lose mine57He deducts the price of 5 modii from the broker’s fee..

What means “if the increased value is more than the expenses, he gives him his expenses”? A person gave to another five lots53The translation follows the reading of E and Tosaphot 100b, s.v. אם, which read מנוי “portions” rather than מיני “kinds”. The same reading is found in שיטה מקובצת ad 100b. E starts the sentence by: אית בר נש “there is a man”. of wool, five portions of dye, and ten minas for his wages. He told him, dye it red, but the other dyed it black. He told him, if you had dyed it red, it would have been worth 25 minas, now that you dyed it black it is worth only 20 minas. You lost yours, I did not lose mine54He deducts 5 minas from the dyer’s wages. This argument is about value, not cost.. Rebbi Jonah55E and שיטה מקובצת read: R. Yose. said, you can understand from here that if a person gave to another eight denars to buy for him wheat in Tiberias but he bought for him in Sepphoris, he may say to him, if you had bought for me in Tiberias there would have been 25 modii56Modius, a Roman measure of volume, 64 quartarii, about 8.51, 2/3 of a se’ah.; now that you bought in Sepphoris there are only 20 modii. You lost yours, I did not lose mine57He deducts the price of 5 modii from the broker’s fee..

9:5:4

תַּנֵּי. הַנּוֹתֵן מָעוֹת לַחֲבֵירוֹ לִיקַּח לוֹ חִטִּים וְלָקַח לוֹ שְׂעוֹרִים. אִם פָּחֲתוּ פָּחֲתוּ לוֹ וְאִם הוֹתִירוּ הוֹתִירוּ לוֹ. וְתַנֵּי חוֹרָן. אִם פָּחֲתוּ פָּחֲתוּ לוֹ וְאִם הוֹתִירוּ הוֹתִירוּ לִשְׁנֵיהֶן. [מָן דָּמַר אִם פָּחֲתוּ פָּחֲתוּ לוֹ וְאִם הוֹתִירוּ הוֹתִירוּ לוֹ רִבִּי מֵאִיר. מַה טַעֲמָא דְּרִבִּי מֵאִיר. שֶׁלֹּא נִתְכַּוֵון הַמּוֹכֵר לְזַכּוֹת אֶלָּא לַלּוֹקֵחַ. וּמָן דָּמַר אִם פָּחֲתוּ פָּחֲתוּ לוֹ וְאִם הוֹתִירוּ הוֹתִירוּ לִשְׁנֵיהֶן רִבִּי יְהוּדָה.] מַאי טַעֲמָא דְּרִבִּי יוּדָן. שֶׁלֹּא נִתְכַּוֵון הַמּוֹכֵר לְזַכּוֹת אֶלָּא לְבַעַל הַמָּעוֹת. וְלָמָּה אֵין חוֹלֵק עִמּוֹ. שֶׁאָסוּר לִיהֲנוֹת מֵחֲבֵירוֹ. מֵעַתָּה אֲפִילוּ אָמַר לוֹ לִיקַּח לוֹ חִטִּים וְלָקַח לוֹ חִטִּים. [אָמַר רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן. בְּשָׁעָה שֶׁאָמַר לוֹ לִיקַּח לוֹ בָהֶן חִטִּין וְלָקַח לוֹ חִטִּין] לֹא נִתְכַּוֵון הַמּוֹכֵר לְזַכּוֹת אֶלָּא לְבַעַל הַמָּעוֹת. וּבְשָׁעָה שֶׁאָמַר לוֹ לִיקַּח חִיטִּים וְלָקַח לוֹ שְׂעוֹרִים לֹא נִתְכַּוֵון מוֹכֵר לְזַכּוֹת אֶלָּא לַלּוֹקֵחַ וְקִיֵים מַה בְיָדֵיהּ. אָמַר רִבִּי נָסָא. בְּשָׁעָה שֶׁקִּיֵים שְׁלִיחוּתוֹ לֹא נִתְכַּוֵון הַמּוֹכֵר לְזַכּוֹת לְבַעַל הַמָּעוֹת. לא קִיֵים שְׁלִיחוּתוֹ נִתְכַּוֵון לְזַכּוֹת לַלּוֹקֵחַ. וְלָמָּה חוֹלֵק עִמּוֹ. אָמַר. הוֹאִיל וּבָאָת לוֹ הֲנָיָיה מִתַּחַת יָדוֹ אַף הוּא חוֹלֵק עִמּוֹ.

It was stated: One gives money to another to buy wheat for him, but the man bought barley. If it went down in price, it went down in price for him; if it rose in price, it rose for him58Since the agent did not fulfill the conditions of his agency, he acquired the barley for himself and has to carry the entire financial risk in selling the barley and buying wheat instead. Since the risk is entirely the agent’s, the eventual gain also is his.. We stated otherwise59Tosephta Bava meṣi‘a 4:20.: “If it went down in price, it went down in price for him; if it rose in price, it rose for both of them.60The unfaithful agent is disadvantaged. Nevertheless, one has to find a reason for the unequal treatment of loss and gain.” 61Added from E; there is no Genizah text for the remainder of the Tractate. The addition seems necessary and the oversight of the Leiden scribe is easily explained. In the Babli, 102b, the identification of the Tannaїm is ascribed to R. Joḥanan who, however, is quoted there to the effect that R. Jehudah does not accept that unfaithful execution of an agency makes the agent the owner of the object acquired.[He who said if it went down in price, it went down in price for him; if it rose in price, it rose for him, is Rebbi Meïr. What is Rebbi Meïr’s reason? Because the seller intended to transfer ownership only to the buyer62In Demay 6:12 (Notes 194–196), this opinion is attributed to R. Jehudah. Since ownership is transferred when the seller hands over the goods, it matters to whom the seller intended to transfer title. Usually the seller does not know whether the buyer is acting on his own account or as an agent; the law will have to tell the seller what to intend.. But he who said, if it went down in price, it went down in price for him; if it rose in price, it rose for both of them, is Rebbi Jehudah.] What is Rebbi Jehudah’s reason? Because the seller intended to transfer ownership only to the owner of the money63In Demay 6:12 (Notes 194–196), this opinion is attributed to R. Yose. R. Meïr is not mentioned there.. Why does he (not)64It seems that this word should be deleted; it is missing in the quote given by Bet Yosef, Ḥošen Mišpaṭ §123. split with him? Because it is forbidden to take advantage of another person65One should not trade with another person’s money. In the Babli, Bava meṣi‘a 117b, this is a statement of R. Joḥanan.. Then even if one gave him money to buy wheat and he bought wheat?66According to R. Jehudah, anything bought through an agent should need another transfer of ownership from agent to principal. This clearly is not practice. 67Added from E, not in L.[Rebbi Joḥanan said, if he had given money to buy wheat and he bought wheat,] the seller intended to transfer ownership only to the owner of the money. If he had given money to buy wheat and he bought barley, the seller intended to transfer ownership only to the buyer, who is stuck with what he has on his hands. Rebbi Nasa said, if he was true to his agency, did the seller not intend to transfer ownership to the owner of the money? If he was not true to his agency, he intended to transfer ownership to the buyer68R. Nasa agrees with R. Joḥanan in practice but formulates it in a way applicable to any situation.. Then why does he split with him? He said, because he realizes a profit by means of the other man’s money, he splits with him65One should not trade with another person’s money. In the Babli, Bava meṣi‘a 117b, this is a statement of R. Joḥanan..

It was stated: One gives money to another to buy wheat for him, but the man bought barley. If it went down in price, it went down in price for him; if it rose in price, it rose for him58Since the agent did not fulfill the conditions of his agency, he acquired the barley for himself and has to carry the entire financial risk in selling the barley and buying wheat instead. Since the risk is entirely the agent’s, the eventual gain also is his.. We stated otherwise59Tosephta Bava meṣi‘a 4:20.: “If it went down in price, it went down in price for him; if it rose in price, it rose for both of them.60The unfaithful agent is disadvantaged. Nevertheless, one has to find a reason for the unequal treatment of loss and gain.” 61Added from E; there is no Genizah text for the remainder of the Tractate. The addition seems necessary and the oversight of the Leiden scribe is easily explained. In the Babli, 102b, the identification of the Tannaїm is ascribed to R. Joḥanan who, however, is quoted there to the effect that R. Jehudah does not accept that unfaithful execution of an agency makes the agent the owner of the object acquired.[He who said if it went down in price, it went down in price for him; if it rose in price, it rose for him, is Rebbi Meïr. What is Rebbi Meïr’s reason? Because the seller intended to transfer ownership only to the buyer62In Demay 6:12 (Notes 194–196), this opinion is attributed to R. Jehudah. Since ownership is transferred when the seller hands over the goods, it matters to whom the seller intended to transfer title. Usually the seller does not know whether the buyer is acting on his own account or as an agent; the law will have to tell the seller what to intend.. But he who said, if it went down in price, it went down in price for him; if it rose in price, it rose for both of them, is Rebbi Jehudah.] What is Rebbi Jehudah’s reason? Because the seller intended to transfer ownership only to the owner of the money63In Demay 6:12 (Notes 194–196), this opinion is attributed to R. Yose. R. Meïr is not mentioned there.. Why does he (not)64It seems that this word should be deleted; it is missing in the quote given by Bet Yosef, Ḥošen Mišpaṭ §123. split with him? Because it is forbidden to take advantage of another person65One should not trade with another person’s money. In the Babli, Bava meṣi‘a 117b, this is a statement of R. Joḥanan.. Then even if one gave him money to buy wheat and he bought wheat?66According to R. Jehudah, anything bought through an agent should need another transfer of ownership from agent to principal. This clearly is not practice. 67Added from E, not in L.[Rebbi Joḥanan said, if he had given money to buy wheat and he bought wheat,] the seller intended to transfer ownership only to the owner of the money. If he had given money to buy wheat and he bought barley, the seller intended to transfer ownership only to the buyer, who is stuck with what he has on his hands. Rebbi Nasa said, if he was true to his agency, did the seller not intend to transfer ownership to the owner of the money? If he was not true to his agency, he intended to transfer ownership to the buyer68R. Nasa agrees with R. Joḥanan in practice but formulates it in a way applicable to any situation.. Then why does he split with him? He said, because he realizes a profit by means of the other man’s money, he splits with him65One should not trade with another person’s money. In the Babli, Bava meṣi‘a 117b, this is a statement of R. Joḥanan..

9:5:5

הָתִיב רִבִּי שְׁמוּאֵל בַּר בָּא קוֹמֵי רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן. וְהָתַנִּינָן. אֶחָד הַמַּקְדִּישׁ נְכָסָיו וְאֶחֶד הַמַּעֲרִיךְ עַצְמוֹ אֵין לוֹ בִּכְסוּת אִשְׁתּוֹ וּבָנָיו. אָמַר. לֹא עָלַת עַל דַּעְתּוֹ לוֹמַר בִּכְסוּת אִשְׁתּוֹ וּבָנָיו. וְהָתַנִּינָן. עֶרְכִּי עָלַי. כֵּיוָן שֶׁאָמַר עֶרְכִּי עָלַי לֹא קָבַע לְעַצְמוֹ אֶלָּא נ̇ סֶלַע. הָאוֹמֵר. עֶרְכִּי עָלַי עַל מְנָת שֶׁלֹּא לְסַדֵּר מַה שֶׁעַל אִשְתִּי וּבָנַיי. רִבִּי נָסָא בְשֵׁם רִבִּי בּוּן בַּר חִיָיה. הָאוֹמֵר. עֶרְכִּי עָלַי עַל מְנָת שֶׁלֹּא לְסַדֵּר מֵחֶפֶץ פְּלוֹנִי. אֵין מְסַדְּרִין לוֹ מֵאוֹתוֹ הַחֵפֶץ. רַב הוֹשַׁעְיָה בְשֵׁם שְׁמוּאֵל בַּר אַבָּא. זֹאת אוֹמֶרֶת שֶׁאֵין שָׁמִין עֲרָכִין מִן הַמִּטַּלְטְלַין דְּבַר תּוֹרָה אֶלָּא מִדִּבְרֵיהֶן.

Rebbi Samuel bar Abba objected before Rebbi Joḥanan. Did we not state69Mishnah ‘Arakhin 6:5.: “Both the person who dedicates70He dedicates his entire property to the Temple. The administrators of the Temple have to foreclose all of his properties. and the one who vows his own valuation71He vows the amount specified in Lev. 27:1–8 as valuation, which for an adult male is fixed in v. 3 as 50 holy sheqel, interpreted as 50 tetradrachmas (Qiddushin 1:1, Note 339). exclude their wives’ and children’s clothing.72The Mishnah there also excludes “dye which was dyed for them (the wife and children).” If R. Joḥanan is correct and by law the seller intends to benefit the owner of the money by which he is paid, who told the dyer or the clothier to transfer his intent from the husband, the giver of the money, to the wife and children, the beneficiaries?” He answered, nobody thought to include their wives’ and children’s clothing73The problem in ‘Arakhin has nothing to do with our problem here since a vow is always subject to the exclusions stipulated by the person making the vow.. But did we not state: “My valuation on myself”; at the moment when he said, my valuation on myself, he only obligated himself for fifty tetradrachmas71He vows the amount specified in Lev. 27:1–8 as valuation, which for an adult male is fixed in v. 3 as 50 holy sheqel, interpreted as 50 tetradrachmas (Qiddushin 1:1, Note 339).. If he says, my valuation on myself on condition not to pledge what is worn by my wife and children? Rebbi Nasa in the name of Samuel bar Abba: One who says, my valuation on myself on condition not to pledge a particular thing, one cannot use that particular thing as a pledge74Again, this is a reformulation of the previous statement in a form universally applicable.. Rav Hoshaia in the name of Samuel bar Abba: This implies that one does not foreclose valuations from movables by biblical decree75If the administrators of the Temple operated according to a biblical decree, all stipulations would be invalid (cf. Ketubot 9:1, Note 5). If stipulations are respected, the process of foreclosure of movables cannot be biblical. but only from the rabbis.

Rebbi Samuel bar Abba objected before Rebbi Joḥanan. Did we not state69Mishnah ‘Arakhin 6:5.: “Both the person who dedicates70He dedicates his entire property to the Temple. The administrators of the Temple have to foreclose all of his properties. and the one who vows his own valuation71He vows the amount specified in Lev. 27:1–8 as valuation, which for an adult male is fixed in v. 3 as 50 holy sheqel, interpreted as 50 tetradrachmas (Qiddushin 1:1, Note 339). exclude their wives’ and children’s clothing.72The Mishnah there also excludes “dye which was dyed for them (the wife and children).” If R. Joḥanan is correct and by law the seller intends to benefit the owner of the money by which he is paid, who told the dyer or the clothier to transfer his intent from the husband, the giver of the money, to the wife and children, the beneficiaries?” He answered, nobody thought to include their wives’ and children’s clothing73The problem in ‘Arakhin has nothing to do with our problem here since a vow is always subject to the exclusions stipulated by the person making the vow.. But did we not state: “My valuation on myself”; at the moment when he said, my valuation on myself, he only obligated himself for fifty tetradrachmas71He vows the amount specified in Lev. 27:1–8 as valuation, which for an adult male is fixed in v. 3 as 50 holy sheqel, interpreted as 50 tetradrachmas (Qiddushin 1:1, Note 339).. If he says, my valuation on myself on condition not to pledge what is worn by my wife and children? Rebbi Nasa in the name of Samuel bar Abba: One who says, my valuation on myself on condition not to pledge a particular thing, one cannot use that particular thing as a pledge74Again, this is a reformulation of the previous statement in a form universally applicable.. Rav Hoshaia in the name of Samuel bar Abba: This implies that one does not foreclose valuations from movables by biblical decree75If the administrators of the Temple operated according to a biblical decree, all stipulations would be invalid (cf. Ketubot 9:1, Note 5). If stipulations are respected, the process of foreclosure of movables cannot be biblical. but only from the rabbis.

Texts

  • Hebrew: The Jerusalem Talmud, edition by Heinrich W. Guggenheimer. Berlin, De Gruyter, 1999-2015 · License: CC-BY
  • English: The Jerusalem Talmud, translation and commentary by Heinrich W. Guggenheimer. Berlin, De Gruyter, 1999-2015 · License: CC-BY

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