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9:8:1

משנה: הָאוֹמֵר לִבְנוֹ קוֹנָם שֶׁאַתָּה נֶהֱנֶה לִי אִם מֵת יוֹרִישֶׁנּוּ. בְּחַיָּי וּבְמוֹתִי אִם מֵת לֹא יוֹרִישֶׁנּוּ וְיִּתֵּן לְבָנָיו אוֹ לְאֶחָיו וְאִם אֵין לוֹ לוֹוֶה וּבַעֲלֵי הַחוֹב בָּאִין וְנִפְרָעִין.

MISHNAH: If somebody says to his son: A qônām106An expression of making a vow; Mishnah Nedarim 1:1. that you cannot enjoy anything from me, when he dies he can inherit from him107Since a deceased person has no property, the estate is no longer the father’s money.. During my lifetime and after my death, when he dies he cannot inherit from him but should give it108The inheritance. to his sons or his brothers, and if he has nothing109To eat. he may take a loan; the creditors come and make themselves paid105He takes a loan, pays his obligations, and when the loan comes due directs the creditor to the recipients of his payments. Then he has fulfilled his obligation without losing any of his money..

MISHNAH: If somebody says to his son: A qônām106An expression of making a vow; Mishnah Nedarim 1:1. that you cannot enjoy anything from me, when he dies he can inherit from him107Since a deceased person has no property, the estate is no longer the father’s money.. During my lifetime and after my death, when he dies he cannot inherit from him but should give it108The inheritance. to his sons or his brothers, and if he has nothing109To eat. he may take a loan; the creditors come and make themselves paid105He takes a loan, pays his obligations, and when the loan comes due directs the creditor to the recipients of his payments. Then he has fulfilled his obligation without losing any of his money..

9:8:2

הלכה: הָאוֹמֵר לִבְנוֹ קוֹנָם שֶׁאַתְּ נֶהֱנֶה לִי כול׳. אָמַר רִבִּי יִרְמְיָה. חֲמִי הֵיךְ תַּנִּינָן הָכָא. הָאוֹמֵר לִבְנוֹ. קוֹנָם שֶׁאַתְּ נֶהֱנֶה לִי. אִם מֵת יִירָשֶׁנּוּ. בְּחַיָּי וּבְמוֹתִי. אִם מֵת לֹא יִירָשֶׁנּוּ. וְהָתַנֵּי. בְּחַיַּי. אִם מֵת יִירָשֶׁנּוּ. בְּמוֹתִי. אִם מֵת יִירָשֶׁנּוּ. בְּחַיַּי וּבְמוֹתִי. אִם מֵת לֹא יִירָשֶׁנּוּ. מַה בֵין אָהֵן דָּמַר חָדָא חָדָא לָהֵן דָּמַר תַּרְתֵּי תַּרְתֵּי. רַב יִרְמְיָה וְרִבִּי יוֹסֵי בֵּן חֲנִינָה תְּרֵיהוֹן אָמְרִין. קוֹנָם לְבַיִת זֶה שֶׁאֵינִי נִכְנַס בְחַיַּי וּבְמוֹתִי. כֵּיוָן שֶׁאָמַר. לְבַיִת זֶה. אֲסָרוֹ עָלָיו בֵּין בַּחַיִים בֵּין לְאַחַר מִיתָה. אָמַר רִבִּי יוֹסֵי. תַּנִּינָן בִּנְזָקִין מַה דְלֹא תַנִּינָן בִּנְדָרִין. קוֹנָם הֲנָיַית נְכָסַיי אֵילּוּ עָלַי בְּחַיַּי וּבְמוֹתִי. כֵּיוָן שֶׁאָמִר. אֵילּוּ. אֲסָרָן עָלָיו בֵּין בַּחַיִּים בֵּין לְאַחַר מִיתָה.

HALAKHAH: “If somebody says to his son: A qônām that you cannot enjoy anything from me,” etc. 110This text is a reformulation of a text in Nedarim 5:2, explained there in Notes 35–43. Rebbi Jeremiah said, look what we did state here: “If somebody says to his son, ‘a qônām that you can not enjoy anything from me,’ if he dies, the son inherits; ‘during my lifetime and after my death,’ if he dies, he cannot inherit.” Did we not state, ‘during my lifetime’, he inherits; ‘after my death’, he inherits, ‘during my lifetime and after my death’, he cannot inherit? What is the difference between the one who says it one by one and the one who says it by twos? Rav Jeremiah and Rebbi Yose ben Ḥanina both say, ‘a qônām that I shall not enter this house during my lifetime and after my death’, since he said “this house”, he forbade it on himself during lifetime and after death. Rebbi Yose said, we have stated in Neziqin what we did not state in Nedarim: ‘A qônām that I cannot enjoy these my properties during my lifetime and after my death,’ from the moment he said “these” he forbade them to himself during his lifetime and after his death.

HALAKHAH: “If somebody says to his son: A qônām that you cannot enjoy anything from me,” etc. 110This text is a reformulation of a text in Nedarim 5:2, explained there in Notes 35–43. Rebbi Jeremiah said, look what we did state here: “If somebody says to his son, ‘a qônām that you can not enjoy anything from me,’ if he dies, the son inherits; ‘during my lifetime and after my death,’ if he dies, he cannot inherit.” Did we not state, ‘during my lifetime’, he inherits; ‘after my death’, he inherits, ‘during my lifetime and after my death’, he cannot inherit? What is the difference between the one who says it one by one and the one who says it by twos? Rav Jeremiah and Rebbi Yose ben Ḥanina both say, ‘a qônām that I shall not enter this house during my lifetime and after my death’, since he said “this house”, he forbade it on himself during lifetime and after death. Rebbi Yose said, we have stated in Neziqin what we did not state in Nedarim: ‘A qônām that I cannot enjoy these my properties during my lifetime and after my death,’ from the moment he said “these” he forbade them to himself during his lifetime and after his death.

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  • Hebrew: The Jerusalem Talmud, edition by Heinrich W. Guggenheimer. Berlin, De Gruyter, 1999-2015 · License: CC-BY
  • English: The Jerusalem Talmud, translation and commentary by Heinrich W. Guggenheimer. Berlin, De Gruyter, 1999-2015 · License: CC-BY

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