Talmud Yerushalmi
Yerushalmi Demai 2:4 ירושלמי דמאי ב׳:ד׳
Part of: Chapter 2
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משנה: הַנַּחְתּוֹמִין לֹא חִיְיבוּ אוֹתָן חֲכָמִים לְהַפְרִישׁ אֶלָּא כְדֵי תְּרוּמַת מַעֲשֵׂר וְחַלָּה. הַחֶנְוָונִין אֵינָן רְשָָׁאִין לִמְכּוֹר אֶת הַדְּמַאי. וְכָל הַמְּשׁוּפָּעִין בְּמִידָּה גַסָּה רְשָׁאִין לִמְכּוֹר אֶת הַדְּמַאי. וְאֵלּוּ הֵן הַמְּשׁוּפָּעִין בְּמִידָּה גַסָּה כְּגוֹן הַסִּיטוֹנוֹת וּמוֹכְרֵי תְבוּאָה.
MISHNAH: The sages did not obligate bakers to separate more than the heave of the tithe and ḥallah169They do not have to take the Second Tithe, not even in order to redeem it, in order to keep prices down. The Halakhah will address the questions raised by such a policy.. Grocers are not permitted to sell demay. All who sell wholesale in large quantities may sell demay170Since the buyer knows that he buys demay.. The following sell wholesale in large quantities, for example grain buyers171Latin sitona,ae,m., “purchaser of grain, commissioner, purveyor”, from Greek σιτώνης “public buyer of grain,” wholesale grain merchant who worked with or for the government (E. G.). and sellers.
MISHNAH: The sages did not obligate bakers to separate more than the heave of the tithe and ḥallah169They do not have to take the Second Tithe, not even in order to redeem it, in order to keep prices down. The Halakhah will address the questions raised by such a policy.. Grocers are not permitted to sell demay. All who sell wholesale in large quantities may sell demay170Since the buyer knows that he buys demay.. The following sell wholesale in large quantities, for example grain buyers171Latin sitona,ae,m., “purchaser of grain, commissioner, purveyor”, from Greek σιτώνης “public buyer of grain,” wholesale grain merchant who worked with or for the government (E. G.). and sellers.
הלכה: תַּמָּן תַּנֵּינָן הַלּוֹקֵחַ מִן הַנַּחְתּוֹם כֵּיצַד הוּא מְעַשֵּׂר. הָכָא אַתְּ אָמַר הַלּוֹקֵחַ מַפְרִישׁ וְהָכָא אַתְּ אוֹמֵר הַנַּחְתּוֹם מַפְרִישׁ. רִבִּי יוֹנָה אָמַר אִיתְפַּלְּגוּן רִבִּי לָעְזָר וְרִבִּי יוֹחָנָן. חַד אָמַר כָּאן בְּעוֹשֶׂה בְטָהֳרָה וְכָאן בְּעוֹשֶׂה בְטוּמְאָה. וְחָרָנָה אָמַר כָּאן בְּמִידָּה דַקָּה וְכָאן בְּמִידָּה גַסָּה. וְלָא יָדְעִין מָאן דַּאֲמַר דָּא וּמָאן דַּאְמַר דָּא. [מִן] מַה דְּאָמַר רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן מִפְּנֵי הַטָּהֳרוֹת. הֲוֵי רִבִּי לָעְזָר הוּא דְּאָמַר כָּאן בְּמִידָּה דַקָּה וְכָאן בְּמִידָּה גַסָּה. וְקַשְׁיָא עַל דְּרִבִּי יוֹחָנָן אִם בְּעוֹשֶׂה בְטָהֳרָה יַפְרִישׁ עַל הַכֹּל. בְּדִין הָיָה שֶׁלֹּא יַפְרִישׁ כְּלוּם שֶׁאֵין מוֹסְרִין וַדַּאי לְעַם הָאָרֶץ. וְקַשְׁיָא עַל דְּרִבִּי לָעְזָר אִם בְּמִידָּה דַקָּה יַפְרִישׁ עַל הַכֹּל. הַחֶנְוָונִי אֵין רְשָׁאִין לִמְכּוֹר דְּמַאי.
HALAKHAH: There172Mishnah 5:1 requires that he who buys from a baker has to give ḥallah, heave of the tithe, and redeem the Second Tithe. The Mishnah here demands that the baker himself give ḥallah and heave of the tithe., we have stated: “If one buys from the baker173The baker is the craftsman who does the actual baking in his tannur, a stove in the form of a truncated cone, the fire burning on the bottom. The bread dough is brought in from the top and slapped onto the walls to be baked into pittah; this motion of “slapping down” is expressed by the root נחת. The seller of baked goods, either the baker in a separate store adjacent to his baking establishment, or an independent dealer, is the פְּלָטֵר, from Greek πρατήρ. The baker will also bake other people’s dough for a fee; that case is not considered here., how does he tithe?” There you say, the buyer separates, and here you say, the baker separates. Rebbi Jonah said, Rebbi Eleazar and Rebbi Joḥanan disagree. One says, here if he works in purity174The baker is not a ḥaver, but he has hired a ḥaver to knead the dough so that it should not become impure. If the baker handles dry flour or dry bread, nothing happens since profane dry food can be made impure only by original impurity. Therefore, the ḥaver may take the heave of the tithe and ḥallah., there if he works in impurity175One does not trust him to handle impure heave and ḥallah following the rules.. The other says, here in retail, there in wholesale. We did not know who said what. Since Rebbi Joḥanan said176In a related discussion, Halakhah 5:1. (The reading מה is from the Rome ms., Venice print: מאן.), because of purity, it follows that Rebbi Eleazar is the one who said, here in retail, there in wholesale. It is difficult for Rebbi Joḥanan, if he works in purity, let him separate everything177Why should he be exempt from Second Tithe?. It would be logical that he should not give anything because one does not deliver certain grain178Grain from which it is known with certainty that the Heave of the Tithe was not taken. The baker here must be an am haäreẓ since we already have stated that the ḥaver may not sell demay at all. Hence, in the majority of cases, the Second Tithe, together with the heave of the tithe, are already taken and there would remain only ḥallah which is a duty upon bread dough only. to the am haäreẓ. It is difficult for Rebbi Eleazar, if it is in retail, let him separate everything. Grocers are not permitted to sell demay179There is no reason why the bread retailer should be treated in any way different from other retailers.!
HALAKHAH: There172Mishnah 5:1 requires that he who buys from a baker has to give ḥallah, heave of the tithe, and redeem the Second Tithe. The Mishnah here demands that the baker himself give ḥallah and heave of the tithe., we have stated: “If one buys from the baker173The baker is the craftsman who does the actual baking in his tannur, a stove in the form of a truncated cone, the fire burning on the bottom. The bread dough is brought in from the top and slapped onto the walls to be baked into pittah; this motion of “slapping down” is expressed by the root נחת. The seller of baked goods, either the baker in a separate store adjacent to his baking establishment, or an independent dealer, is the פְּלָטֵר, from Greek πρατήρ. The baker will also bake other people’s dough for a fee; that case is not considered here., how does he tithe?” There you say, the buyer separates, and here you say, the baker separates. Rebbi Jonah said, Rebbi Eleazar and Rebbi Joḥanan disagree. One says, here if he works in purity174The baker is not a ḥaver, but he has hired a ḥaver to knead the dough so that it should not become impure. If the baker handles dry flour or dry bread, nothing happens since profane dry food can be made impure only by original impurity. Therefore, the ḥaver may take the heave of the tithe and ḥallah., there if he works in impurity175One does not trust him to handle impure heave and ḥallah following the rules.. The other says, here in retail, there in wholesale. We did not know who said what. Since Rebbi Joḥanan said176In a related discussion, Halakhah 5:1. (The reading מה is from the Rome ms., Venice print: מאן.), because of purity, it follows that Rebbi Eleazar is the one who said, here in retail, there in wholesale. It is difficult for Rebbi Joḥanan, if he works in purity, let him separate everything177Why should he be exempt from Second Tithe?. It would be logical that he should not give anything because one does not deliver certain grain178Grain from which it is known with certainty that the Heave of the Tithe was not taken. The baker here must be an am haäreẓ since we already have stated that the ḥaver may not sell demay at all. Hence, in the majority of cases, the Second Tithe, together with the heave of the tithe, are already taken and there would remain only ḥallah which is a duty upon bread dough only. to the am haäreẓ. It is difficult for Rebbi Eleazar, if it is in retail, let him separate everything. Grocers are not permitted to sell demay179There is no reason why the bread retailer should be treated in any way different from other retailers.!
חֲבֵרָיָיא בְשֵׁם רִבִּי לָעְזָר דְּרִבִּי מֵאִיר הִיא דְּרִבִּי מֵאִיר אָמַר לֹא הִתִּירוּ לִמְכּוֹר דְּמַאי אֶלָּא לְסִיטוֹן בִּלְבַד. הָתִיב רִבִּי יוֹסֵי וְהָא מַתְנִיתָא פְלִיגָא אֵילּוּ הֵן הַמְּשׁוּפָּעִין בְּמִידָּה גַסָּה כְּגוֹן הַסִּיטוֹנוֹת וּמוֹכְרֵי תְבוּאָה. הוֹי אִית חוֹרָנִין. אָמַר רִבִּי יוֹסֵי לֹא עַל הָדָא רִבִּי אֶלְעָזָר אָמַר הָדָא מִילְתָא אֶלָּא עַל הָדָא. דְּתַנִּי בְּמַה דְּבָרִים אֲמוּרִים בִּזְמַן שֶׁהָיָה מוֹכֵר בַּחֲנוּתוֹ אוֹ עַל פֶּתַח חֲנוּתוֹ. אֲבָל אִם הָיָה מוֹכֵר בִּפְלָטֵר אוֹ בַּחֲנוּתוֹ שֶׁהִיא סְמוּכָה לִפְלָטֵר מְעַשֵּׂר עַל הַכֹּל עָלֶיהָ. חֲבֵרָיָיא בְשֵׁם רִבִּי לָעְזָר דְּרִבִּי מֵאִיר הִיא דְּרִבִּי מֵאִיר אָמַר לֹא הִתִּירוּ לִמְכּוֹר דְּמַאי אֶלָּא לְסִיטוֹן בִּלְבַד. הֵיְידָן רִבִּי מֵאִיר הָהִיא דְתַנֵּינָן לְבַתְרָהּ. רִבִּי מֵאִיר אוֹמֵר אֶת שֶׁדַּרְכּוֹ לִמָּדֵד בְּגַסָּה וּמְדָדוֹ בְּדַקָּה טְפֵילָה דַקָּה לְגַסָּה. תַּנִּי רִבִּי חִיָיא כֵּן אֶת שֶׁדַּרְכּוֹ לְהִימָּדֵד בְּגַסָּה וּמְדָדוֹ בְּדַקָּה טְפֵילָה דַקָּה לְגַסָּה. וְכֵן פְּלָטֵר מִידָּה דַקָּה וְחָנוּת מִידָּה גַסָּה טְפֵילָה הִיא הַגַּסָּה לַדַּקָּה.
The colleagues in the name of Rebbi Eleazar: It181The statement of Mishnah 2:4. is Rebbi Meïr’s, since Rebbi Meïr said, they permitted to sell demay only to the commissioned grain merchant182But not any other wholesaler of foodstuffs. The full statement is quoted in Babli Baba Meẓi‘a 56a.. Rebbi Yose objected, does not the Mishnah disagree? “The following sell wholesale in large quantities, for example commissioners and grain merchants.” Hence, there must be others! Rebbi Yose said, this is not what Rebbi Eleazar referred to, but the following, as we have stated183Tosephta Demay 3:10, on the statement of the Mishnah, “The Sages did not obligate bakers to separate more than the heave of the tithe and ḥallah,” in slightly different wording.: “When is this statement operative, if he sells in his bakeshop or at the door of his bakeshop. But if he was selling in the bakery or in his bakeshop adjacent to the bakery, he must give all tithes on it.” The colleagues in the name of Rebbi Eleazar: It is Rebbi Meïr’s, since Rebbi Meïr said, they only permitted to the commissioned grain merchant to sell demay. Which (statement of) Rebbi Meïr? The one we have stated next184The next Mishnah, in abbreviated form.: “Rebbi Meïr says, something which usually he measured wholesale and he measured retail, the retail is adjunct to the wholesale.” Rebbi Ḥiyya185The Great Rebbi Ḥiyya, collector of Tosephtot. His formulation, which in contrast to the Mishnah refers not to the standing of the seller but to the goods sold, is in Tosephta Demay 3:10. stated: “Something which usually is measured wholesale and he measured it retail, the retail is adjunct to the wholesale186Somebody who buys a retail quantity from a wholesaler must expect to receive demay..” And so the bakery is retail but the bakeshop is wholesale, there187If the bakery, or the baker’s workshop physically connected to the retail operation, would sell wholesale, it nevertheless would be a retail operation. the wholesale is adjunct to the retail.
The colleagues in the name of Rebbi Eleazar: It181The statement of Mishnah 2:4. is Rebbi Meïr’s, since Rebbi Meïr said, they permitted to sell demay only to the commissioned grain merchant182But not any other wholesaler of foodstuffs. The full statement is quoted in Babli Baba Meẓi‘a 56a.. Rebbi Yose objected, does not the Mishnah disagree? “The following sell wholesale in large quantities, for example commissioners and grain merchants.” Hence, there must be others! Rebbi Yose said, this is not what Rebbi Eleazar referred to, but the following, as we have stated183Tosephta Demay 3:10, on the statement of the Mishnah, “The Sages did not obligate bakers to separate more than the heave of the tithe and ḥallah,” in slightly different wording.: “When is this statement operative, if he sells in his bakeshop or at the door of his bakeshop. But if he was selling in the bakery or in his bakeshop adjacent to the bakery, he must give all tithes on it.” The colleagues in the name of Rebbi Eleazar: It is Rebbi Meïr’s, since Rebbi Meïr said, they only permitted to the commissioned grain merchant to sell demay. Which (statement of) Rebbi Meïr? The one we have stated next184The next Mishnah, in abbreviated form.: “Rebbi Meïr says, something which usually he measured wholesale and he measured retail, the retail is adjunct to the wholesale.” Rebbi Ḥiyya185The Great Rebbi Ḥiyya, collector of Tosephtot. His formulation, which in contrast to the Mishnah refers not to the standing of the seller but to the goods sold, is in Tosephta Demay 3:10. stated: “Something which usually is measured wholesale and he measured it retail, the retail is adjunct to the wholesale186Somebody who buys a retail quantity from a wholesaler must expect to receive demay..” And so the bakery is retail but the bakeshop is wholesale, there187If the bakery, or the baker’s workshop physically connected to the retail operation, would sell wholesale, it nevertheless would be a retail operation. the wholesale is adjunct to the retail.
חֲבֵרָיָיא בְשֵׁם רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן מִפְּנֵי הַתִּינּוֹקוֹת דְּלָא יֵיכְלוּן טֵבֵל. רִבִּי לָא בְשֵׁם רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן מִידָּה דַקָּה הוֹאִיל וְהַמּוֹכֵר מִשְׂתַּכֵּר הַמּוֹכֵר מַפְרִישׁ. מִידָּה גַסָּה הוֹאִיל וְהַלּוֹקֵח מִשְׂתַּכֵּר הַלּוֹקֵח מַפְרִישׁ. מַתְנִיתִין מְסַיֵיעַ לְדֵין וּמַתְנִיתִין מְסַיֵיעַ לְדֵין. מַתְנִיתִין מְסַיֵיעַ לַחֲבֵרָיָיא רִבִּי נְחֶמְיָה אָמַר אֶת שֶׁהוּא טָפֵל לְדַקָּה כְדַקָּה וְאֶת שֶׁהוּא טָפֵל לְגַסָּה כְגַסָּה. מַתְנִיתִין מְסַיֵיעַ לְרִבִּי לָא תַּנִּי רִבִּי יִשְׁמָעֵאל בְּנוֹ שֶׁל רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן בֶּן בְּרוֹקָה אָמַר מָדַד לוֹ בְדַקָּה חַיָיב אֲפִילוּ לֹא מָדָד לוֹ אֶלָּא סְאָה וְרוֹבָע צָרִיךְ לְעַשֵּׂר אֶת אוֹתוֹ הָרוֹבָע. אָמַר רִבִּי זְעִירָא חֶשְׁבּוֹן שָׂכָר בֵּינֵיהֶן. מָדַד לוֹ סְאָה לְעִנְיָין רְבָעִין הוֹאִיל וְהַמּוֹכֵר מִשְׂתַּכֵּר הַמּוֹכֵר מַפְרִישׁ. מָכַר לוֹ רְבָעִים לְעִנְיָין סְאָה הוֹאִיל וְהַלּוֹקֵח מִשְׂתַּכֵּר הַלּוֹקֵח מַפְרִישׁ.
The colleagues in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan188Here starts the discussion of the Mishnah’s statement that the retailer but not the wholesaler must tithe demay. The colleagues say that it is a religious law to protect the innocent. Rebbi La says, it is a commercial law that the one who takes the larger margin is better able to absorb the costs.: Because of the children lest they should eat ṭevel. Rebbi La in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan, in retail, because the seller takes the large margin, the seller separates189He separates heave of tithes and Second Tithe and redeems the Second Tithe.. In wholesale, because the buyer will take the large margin, the buyer separates. One statement supports one and another statement supports the other. A statement supports the colleagues: “Rebbi Neḥemiah said, that which is connected to a retail outlet is like retail, connected to a wholesale outlet it is wholesale.190Anything which the retailer sells must be tithed because it is accessible to the general public, but anything the wholesaler sells, even an occasional retail quantity to the limited circle of his customers, may be demay. The opposite statement is ascribed to R. Neḥemiah in the Tosephta, Demay 3:11: “R. Neḥemiah says, anything sold in retail quantity is retail, in wholesale quantity it is wholesale,” supporting R. La.” A statement supports Rebbi La. It was stated: “Rebbi Ismael ben Rebbi Joḥanan ben Beroqa191A Tanna of the fourth generation, associate of Rabban Simeon ben Gamliel. said, if he measured with a retail measure, he is obligated. Even if he did measure only one seah and a quarter qab192¼qab = 1/24seah., he must tithe the quarter qab.” Rebbi Zeïra said, computation of gain is between them193The argument between R. Neḥemiah here and R. Ismael ben R. Joḥanan ben Beroqa is whether price plays any role. R. Ismael negates the role of price; R. Neḥemiah’s argument is detailed by R. Zeïra.. If he measured for him the seah at the rate of quarter qabs, since the seller takes the large margin, the seller separates. If he measures the quarter qab at the rate of seahs, since the buyer will take the large margin, the buyer separates.
The colleagues in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan188Here starts the discussion of the Mishnah’s statement that the retailer but not the wholesaler must tithe demay. The colleagues say that it is a religious law to protect the innocent. Rebbi La says, it is a commercial law that the one who takes the larger margin is better able to absorb the costs.: Because of the children lest they should eat ṭevel. Rebbi La in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan, in retail, because the seller takes the large margin, the seller separates189He separates heave of tithes and Second Tithe and redeems the Second Tithe.. In wholesale, because the buyer will take the large margin, the buyer separates. One statement supports one and another statement supports the other. A statement supports the colleagues: “Rebbi Neḥemiah said, that which is connected to a retail outlet is like retail, connected to a wholesale outlet it is wholesale.190Anything which the retailer sells must be tithed because it is accessible to the general public, but anything the wholesaler sells, even an occasional retail quantity to the limited circle of his customers, may be demay. The opposite statement is ascribed to R. Neḥemiah in the Tosephta, Demay 3:11: “R. Neḥemiah says, anything sold in retail quantity is retail, in wholesale quantity it is wholesale,” supporting R. La.” A statement supports Rebbi La. It was stated: “Rebbi Ismael ben Rebbi Joḥanan ben Beroqa191A Tanna of the fourth generation, associate of Rabban Simeon ben Gamliel. said, if he measured with a retail measure, he is obligated. Even if he did measure only one seah and a quarter qab192¼qab = 1/24seah., he must tithe the quarter qab.” Rebbi Zeïra said, computation of gain is between them193The argument between R. Neḥemiah here and R. Ismael ben R. Joḥanan ben Beroqa is whether price plays any role. R. Ismael negates the role of price; R. Neḥemiah’s argument is detailed by R. Zeïra.. If he measured for him the seah at the rate of quarter qabs, since the seller takes the large margin, the seller separates. If he measures the quarter qab at the rate of seahs, since the buyer will take the large margin, the buyer separates.