Talmud Yerushalmi
Yerushalmi Gittin 5:4 ירושלמי גיטין ה׳:ד׳
Part of: Chapter 5
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משנה: יְתוֹמִים שֶׁסָּמְכוּ אֶצֶל בַּעַל הַבַּיִת אוֹ שֶׁמִּינָּה לָהֶן אֲבִיהֶן אֶפִּיטְרוֹפּוֹס חַיָיב לְעַשֵּׂר פֵּירוֹתֵיהֶן. אֶפִּיטְרוֹפּוֹס שֶׁמִּינָּהוּ אֲבִי הַיְּתוֹמִים יִשָּׁבֵעַ מִינָּהוּ בֵּית דִּין לֹא יִשָּׁבֵעַ. אַבָּא שָׁאוּל אוֹמֵר חִילּוּף הַדְּבָרִים.
MISHNAH: If orphans rely on a property owner98If orphans are adults (older than 13 years) but not able to act in real estate matters (younger than 20 years) and they seek assistence from a relative or acquaintance, that person is not a guardian but by rabbinic usage he has some rights and obligations of a guardian, in particular to see to it that the produce of the orphan’s fields is tithed so it becomes available for sale or for their own use. In general, a third person cannot give heave and tithe for others; this is another example of a “regulation for the public good.” or if their father appointed a guardian99Greek ἐπίτροπος, cf. Bikkurim 1:5, Note 82. for them; these are obligated to tithe their produce. A guardian appointed by the orphans’ father shall be made to swear100At the end of his service, the court shall require him to swear that he retained nothing of the orphan’s property for himself.; if he was appointed by the court he shall not be made to swear. Abba Shaul says, it is the other way around101The guardian appointed by the father’s will shall not be made to swear, so people will not refuse to serve. The court appointee, who does not have the deceased father’s trust, can be made to swear..
MISHNAH: If orphans rely on a property owner98If orphans are adults (older than 13 years) but not able to act in real estate matters (younger than 20 years) and they seek assistence from a relative or acquaintance, that person is not a guardian but by rabbinic usage he has some rights and obligations of a guardian, in particular to see to it that the produce of the orphan’s fields is tithed so it becomes available for sale or for their own use. In general, a third person cannot give heave and tithe for others; this is another example of a “regulation for the public good.” or if their father appointed a guardian99Greek ἐπίτροπος, cf. Bikkurim 1:5, Note 82. for them; these are obligated to tithe their produce. A guardian appointed by the orphans’ father shall be made to swear100At the end of his service, the court shall require him to swear that he retained nothing of the orphan’s property for himself.; if he was appointed by the court he shall not be made to swear. Abba Shaul says, it is the other way around101The guardian appointed by the father’s will shall not be made to swear, so people will not refuse to serve. The court appointee, who does not have the deceased father’s trust, can be made to swear..
הלכה: יְתוֹמִים שֶׁסָּמְכוּ אֶצֶל בַּעַל הַבַּיִת כול׳. אַתֶּם פְּרָט לְשׁוּתָפִין. אַתֶּם פְּרָט לָאֶפִּיטְרוֹפּוֹס. אַתֶּם פְּרָט לְתוֹרֵם שֶׁאֵינוֹ שֶׁלּוֹ. אַתֶּם פְּרָט לְשׁוּתָפִין. וְהָתַנִּינָן הַשּׁוּתָפִין שֶׁתָּרְמוּ. אֶלָּא כָּאן בִּתְרוּמָה גְדוֹלָה כָּאן בִּתְרוּמַת מַעֲשֵׂר. כְּלוּם לָמְדוּ תְרוּמָה גְדוֹלָה לֹא מִתְּרוּמַת מַעֲשֵׂר. אֶלָּא כָּאן לַהֲלָכָה כָּאן לְמַעֲשֶׂה. אַתֶּם פְּרָט לָאֶפִּיטְרוֹפּוֹס. וְהָתַנְיָא יְתוֹמִים שֶׁסָּמְכוּ אֵצֶל בַּעַל הַבַּיִת אוֹ שֶׁמִּינֶּה לָהֶן אֲבִיהֶן אֶפִּיטְרוֹפּוֹס חַיָיב לְעַשֵּׂר פֵּירוֹתֵיהֶן. חֲבֵרַיָיא אָמְרִין. כָּאן לְאֶפִּיטְרוֹפִּין לְעוֹלָם כָּאן לְאֶפִּיטְרוֹפִּין לְשָׁעָה. רִבִּי יוֹסֵי בָּעֵי. אִם בְּאֶפִּיטְרוֹפִּין לְעוֹלָם. וְדָא דְתַנֵּי. מוֹכֵר הוּא עֲבָדִים אֲבָל לֹא קַרְקָעוֹת. אֶלָּא כָן בְּיָתוֹם גָּדוֹל כָּאן בְּיָתוֹם קָטָן.
HALAKHAH: “If orphans rely on a property owner, etc.” 110From Terumot 1:1, explained in Notes 61–69. Variants are denoted by ת.(Num. 18:28) “you” excludes partners, “you” excludes guardians, “you” excludes one who gives heave from what is not his. Did we not state (Terumot 3:3): “Partners who gave heave one after the other?” But one must be for Great Heave, the other for heave of the tithe. Did we not infer the laws of the Great Heave from heave of the tithe? But one is for practice, the other for action. “You” excludes guardians; but did we not state: “Orphans dependent on a home owner, or for whom the father had appointed a guardian, must tithe their produce.” The colleagues say, here for a permanent guardian, there for a temporary guardian. Rebbi Yose asked, does that apply to: “he may sell slaves but not real estate?” But here one deals with an adult orphan, there with an underage orphan.
HALAKHAH: “If orphans rely on a property owner, etc.” 110From Terumot 1:1, explained in Notes 61–69. Variants are denoted by ת.(Num. 18:28) “you” excludes partners, “you” excludes guardians, “you” excludes one who gives heave from what is not his. Did we not state (Terumot 3:3): “Partners who gave heave one after the other?” But one must be for Great Heave, the other for heave of the tithe. Did we not infer the laws of the Great Heave from heave of the tithe? But one is for practice, the other for action. “You” excludes guardians; but did we not state: “Orphans dependent on a home owner, or for whom the father had appointed a guardian, must tithe their produce.” The colleagues say, here for a permanent guardian, there for a temporary guardian. Rebbi Yose asked, does that apply to: “he may sell slaves but not real estate?” But here one deals with an adult orphan, there with an underage orphan.
אָמַר רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן. בַּתְּחִילָּה אֵין מַעֲמִידִין אֶפִּיטְרוֹפּוֹס לִיתוֹמִין לְחוֹב לָהֶן אֶלָּא לְזַכּוֹת לָהֶן. וְאִם חָבוּ חָבוּ. רִבִּי יוֹסֵי בַּר חֲנִינָה אָמַר. בֵּין בַּתְּחִילָּה בֵין בַּסּוֹף אֵין מַעֲמִידִין לָהֶן בֵּין לְזַכּוֹת בֵּין לְחוֹבָה. מַתְנִיתָא פְלִיגָא עַל רִבִּי יוֹסֵי בַּר חֲנִינָה. מַעֲמִידִין לָהֶן אֶפִּיטְרוֹפּוֹס. שַׁנְיָיה הִיא בְשׁוֹר שֶׁלֹּא יֵלֵךְ וְיַזִּיק. הִזִּיק. מִשֶּׁל מִי הֵן מְשַׁלְּמִין. רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן אָמַר. מִשֶּׁל יְתוֹמִין. רִבִּי יוֹסֵי בַּר חֲנִינָה אָמַר. מִשֶּׁל אֶפִּיטְרוֹפּוֹס. וַאֲפִילוּ דְּלָא יִסְבּוֹר רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן כֵּן לֵית מִילְּתֵיהּ אֲמַר כֵּן. לֹא. דְּהוּא אָמַר לַּבְּסוֹף. אִם חָבוּ חָבוּ.
111There is a different but parallel treatment of the subject of this paragraph in Baba Qama 4:5 (4b 1.50). Rebbi Joḥanan said, as a matter of principle one does not appoint guardians for orphans to their detriment, only to their profit; but if they are detrimental, they are detrimental112If the estate of underage minors is sued, the court does not appoint a guardian to conduct their defense but one tells the claimant to wait until the orphans are adults. But if the estate has a claim to pursue, the court may appoint a guardian to prosecute their case; if the guardian is not successful, the orphans cannot sue him.. Rebbi Yose bar Ḥanina said, neither as a matter of principle nor as a reaction, neither for profit not for detriment113All suits involving an estate, whether by a defendant or a claimant, have to be postponed until the orphans are adults.. A Mishnah disagrees with Rebbi Yose bar Ḥanina: “One appoints a guardian for them114Mishnah Baba Qama 1:5: If an animal of an irresponsible person (a minor, an insane, or a deaf-and-dumb person) did damage, the court has to appoint a guardian to take care of the matter. This seems to imply that one appoints guardians for underage orphans who are defendants in a damage suit.” There is a difference about an ox, lest it continue to cause damage115The Mishnah does not express a biblical principle but a rabbinic rule for the public good, that a dangerous animal should be slaughtered to prevent more damage.. If it did do damage, from whom does one take payment? Rebbi Joḥanan said, from the orphans. Rebbi Yose bar Ḥanina said, from the guardian116If the animal did additional damage when the guardian already was in charge.. And even if Rebbi Joḥanan never taught this, does not his word imply it since he said if in the end they are detrimental, they are detrimental?
111There is a different but parallel treatment of the subject of this paragraph in Baba Qama 4:5 (4b 1.50). Rebbi Joḥanan said, as a matter of principle one does not appoint guardians for orphans to their detriment, only to their profit; but if they are detrimental, they are detrimental112If the estate of underage minors is sued, the court does not appoint a guardian to conduct their defense but one tells the claimant to wait until the orphans are adults. But if the estate has a claim to pursue, the court may appoint a guardian to prosecute their case; if the guardian is not successful, the orphans cannot sue him.. Rebbi Yose bar Ḥanina said, neither as a matter of principle nor as a reaction, neither for profit not for detriment113All suits involving an estate, whether by a defendant or a claimant, have to be postponed until the orphans are adults.. A Mishnah disagrees with Rebbi Yose bar Ḥanina: “One appoints a guardian for them114Mishnah Baba Qama 1:5: If an animal of an irresponsible person (a minor, an insane, or a deaf-and-dumb person) did damage, the court has to appoint a guardian to take care of the matter. This seems to imply that one appoints guardians for underage orphans who are defendants in a damage suit.” There is a difference about an ox, lest it continue to cause damage115The Mishnah does not express a biblical principle but a rabbinic rule for the public good, that a dangerous animal should be slaughtered to prevent more damage.. If it did do damage, from whom does one take payment? Rebbi Joḥanan said, from the orphans. Rebbi Yose bar Ḥanina said, from the guardian116If the animal did additional damage when the guardian already was in charge.. And even if Rebbi Joḥanan never taught this, does not his word imply it since he said if in the end they are detrimental, they are detrimental?
אֶפִּיטְרוֹפּוֹס שֶׁמִּינָּהוּ אֲבִי יְתוֹמִין יִשָּׁבֵעַ. שֶׁאֵין דַּרְכּוֹ לִבָּחֵן. שֶׁמִינּוּהוּ בֵּית דִּין לֹא יִשָּׁבֵעַ. שֶׁדַּרְכּוֹ לִבָּחֵן. אַבָּא שָׁאוּל אוֹמֵר. חִילּוּף הַדְּבָרִים. אֶפִּטְרֹפּוֹס שֶׁמִּינָּהוּ אֲבִי יְתוֹמִין יִשָּׁבֵעַ. מִפְּנֵי שֶׁהוּא כְנוֹשֵׂא שָׂכָר. שֶׁמִינּוּהוּ בֵּית דִּין לֹא יִשָּׁבֵעַ. דִּיכִיל מֵימַר לֵיהּ. טָבוֹת הֲוֵינָא עֲבִידְנָא לָךְ. אַתְיָיא דְּרִבִּי יוֹחָנָן כְּרַבָּנִין וּדְרִבִּי יוֹסֵי בַּר חֲנִינָה כְּאַבָּא שָׁאוּל. דְּרִבִּי יוֹחָנָן כְּרַבָּנִין. וַאֲפִילוּ דְּיִסְבּוֹר כְּאַבָּא שָׁאוּל בָּעֵי הוּא בַּר נַשׁ מִיתַּן מְהֵימָן וּמִיקְרַיָיה מְהֵימָן. וּדְרִבִּי יוֹסֵי בַּר חֲנִינָה כְּאַבָּא שָׁאוּל. אֲפִילוּ דְּיִסְבּוֹר כְּרַבָּנִין אָדָם מַבְרִיחַ עַצְמוֹ מִן הַשְּׁבוּעָה וְאֵין אָדָם מַבְרִיחַ עַצְמוֹ מִן הַתַּשְׁלוּמִין.
A guardian appointed by the orphans’ father shall be made to swear, for usually he is not checked out117A private person usually does not have the ability to judge the honesty of his friends.. If he was appointed by the court he shall not be made to swear for usually he was checked out. Abba Shaul says, it is the other way around; a guardian appointed by the orphans’ father118This should read: “appointed by the court”. shall be made to swear, for he is like one who is paid119Even if he is not paid, the reputation he obtains by publicly being trusted by the court may be worth money to him. Therefore, a person will not refrain from serving even if he has to swear in the end. The Babli agrees, 52b.; if he was appointed by the court120This should read: “appointed by the father.” he shall not be made to swear for for he can say to him, I am doing this as a favor to you. It turns out that Rebbi Joḥanan follows the rabbis and Rebbi Yose ben Ḥanina Abba Shaul. Does Rebbi Joḥanan follow the rabbis? Even if he holds with Abba Shaul, a person acts as a trustee121Tosaphot (52b, s.v. הלכה) quotes a slightly different text: בעי אינש מיתן זוזי “a person would be ready to pay money”. in order to be declared trustworthy122Therefore, he can be made to swear.. Does Rebbi Yose ben Ḥanina [follow] Abba Shaul? Even if he holds with the rabbis, a person is apt to slip away from an oath but not from payments123If people know they will have to swear, they will not be available to be appointed guardians. They will think that they are competent enough not to have to pay; very few people will refrain from becoming guardians because of the potential liability..
A guardian appointed by the orphans’ father shall be made to swear, for usually he is not checked out117A private person usually does not have the ability to judge the honesty of his friends.. If he was appointed by the court he shall not be made to swear for usually he was checked out. Abba Shaul says, it is the other way around; a guardian appointed by the orphans’ father118This should read: “appointed by the court”. shall be made to swear, for he is like one who is paid119Even if he is not paid, the reputation he obtains by publicly being trusted by the court may be worth money to him. Therefore, a person will not refrain from serving even if he has to swear in the end. The Babli agrees, 52b.; if he was appointed by the court120This should read: “appointed by the father.” he shall not be made to swear for for he can say to him, I am doing this as a favor to you. It turns out that Rebbi Joḥanan follows the rabbis and Rebbi Yose ben Ḥanina Abba Shaul. Does Rebbi Joḥanan follow the rabbis? Even if he holds with Abba Shaul, a person acts as a trustee121Tosaphot (52b, s.v. הלכה) quotes a slightly different text: בעי אינש מיתן זוזי “a person would be ready to pay money”. in order to be declared trustworthy122Therefore, he can be made to swear.. Does Rebbi Yose ben Ḥanina [follow] Abba Shaul? Even if he holds with the rabbis, a person is apt to slip away from an oath but not from payments123If people know they will have to swear, they will not be available to be appointed guardians. They will think that they are competent enough not to have to pay; very few people will refrain from becoming guardians because of the potential liability..