Talmud Yerushalmi
Yerushalmi Ketubot 12:2 ירושלמי כתובות י״ב:ב׳
Part of: Chapter 12
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משנה: נִיסֵּית הַבַּת הַבַּעַל חַיָיב בִּמְזוֹנוֹתֶיהָ וְ[הֵן] נוֹתְנִין לָהּ דְּמֵי מְזוֹנוֹת. מֵתוּ בְּנוֹתֵיהֶן נִזּוֹנוֹת מִנְּכָסִים בְּנֵי חוֹרִין וְהִיא נִזּוֹנֶת מִנְּכָסִים מְשׁוּעְבָּדִים מִפְּנֵי שֶׁהִיא כְבַעֲלַת חוֹב. הַפִּיקְחִים הָיוּ כוֹתְבִין עַל מְנָת שֶׁאָזוּן אֶת בִּתֵּךְ חָמֵשׁ שָׁנִים כָּל זְמַן שֶׁאַתְּ עִמִּי.
MISHNAH: If the daughter25The one mentioned in Mishnah 1. married, the husband has to sustain her and they pay the cost of her sustenance. If they died26The mother’s husband and/or ex-husband., their daughters are supported from unincumbered property but she is supported from mortgaged property since her status is that of a creditor27Her claim is that of her mother’s ketubah.. The intelligent ones did write: On condition that I support your daughter for five years the entire time you are with me28Then the daughter’s claim is terminated if either the mother is divorced or the mother or the husband died..
MISHNAH: If the daughter25The one mentioned in Mishnah 1. married, the husband has to sustain her and they pay the cost of her sustenance. If they died26The mother’s husband and/or ex-husband., their daughters are supported from unincumbered property but she is supported from mortgaged property since her status is that of a creditor27Her claim is that of her mother’s ketubah.. The intelligent ones did write: On condition that I support your daughter for five years the entire time you are with me28Then the daughter’s claim is terminated if either the mother is divorced or the mother or the husband died..
הלכה: נִיסֵּית הַבַּת. הַבַּעַל חַיָיב בִּמְזוֹנוֹתֶיהָ כול׳. תְּנַיי כְתוּבָּה שֶׁכְּתָבוֹ בִשְׁטָר. רִבִּי יַעֲקֹב בַּר אָחָא אָמַר. אִיתְפַּלְּגוֹן רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן וְרִבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן לָקִישׁ. רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן אָמַר. לְחִיזּוּק כְּתָבָן. וְרִבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן לָקִישׁ אָמַר. לִגְבּוֹת מִן הַמְשׁוּעֲבָדִים כְּתָבָן. רִבִּי יִרְמְיָה מַחֲלִיף שְׁמוּעָתָה. אָמַר רִבִּי יוּדָן. מַתְנִיתָא מְסַיְיעָה לְמָאן דָּמַר. לְחִיזּוּק כְּתָבָן. דְּתַנִּינָן תַּמָּן. אֵין מוֹצִיאִין לַאֲכִילַת פֵּירוֹת וּלְשֶׁבַח קַרְקָעוֹת וּלְמָזוֹן הָאִשָּׁה וְהַבָּנוֹת מִנְּכָסִים הַמְשׁוּעֲבָדִין מִפְּנֵי תִּיקּוּן הָעוֹלָם. לא בִשְׁטָר. אַף הָכָא בִשְׁטָר. אָמַר רִבִּי חֲנַנְיָה. מִפְּנֵי שֶׁהִיא כְבַעֲלַת חוֹב. לא בִשְׁטָר. אַף הָכָא בִשְׁטָר.
HALAKHAH: “If the daughter married, the husband has to sustain her,” etc. What is the status of the ketubah stipulations if he wrote them in the document29All the stipulations enumerated in Mishnaiot 4:7 ff. are enforceable even if they are not written in the ketubah. What is the legal difference between a ketubah in which the stipulations are explicit and one in which they are implicit?? Rebbi Jacob bar Aḥa said, Rebbi Joḥanan and Rebbi Simeon ben Laqish disagree. Rebbi Joḥanan said, he wrote them for emphasis30Without legal consequences. (In Rashi’s interpretation of the Babli, 102b, Rav Ashi agrees.); Rebbi Simeon ben Laqish said, he wrote them to collect from encumbered property. Rebbi Jeremiah switched the traditions31He switched the attributions to R. Joḥanan and R. Simeon ben Laqish. Therefore, the discussion proceeds without referring to names.. Rebbi Yudan said, a Mishnah supports him who said, he wrote them for emphasis, since we stated there32Mishnah Giṭṭin 5:3.: “One does not foreclose from mortgaged property to indemnify for produce or investment33If somebody sold a field, the title to which was later disputed and the court awarded the title to another person who then takes the field away from the buyer. The innocent buyer then has regress on the fraudulent seller. Real estate is always sold with a title guarantee; therefore the value of the field can be taken from the seller’s mortgaged property (depending on the time of sale). But both the value of the standing crop which the buyer lost, and the value of the investments the buyer made in the property cannot be recovered from mortgaged property. The main difference is that the privileged amount, the value of the field, is a well-defined sum written in the sales contract, whereas the rest are open-ended obligations which cannot be foreseen and whose inclusion in the causes for foreclosure would bring all real estate transactions to a halt., or sustenance of widow and daughters34These also are open-ended obligations which cannot be estimated beforehand; they cannot be enforced against mortgage holders, in contrast to the ketubah sum which is well-defined., in order not to impede the economy.” Are [the first categories] not based on a document? Here also based on the document35Since the regress of the buyer on the fraudulent seller is based on the sales contract, and it turns out that only part of the claim can be satisfied by foreclosure, it shows that the ketubah document also has parts which have the status of certificates of indebtedness and other parts which cannot be enforced by foreclosure.. Rebbi Ḥanania said, “since her status is that of a creditor”! Is that not based on a document? Here also based on the document36The wife’s daughter’s claim is also based on her mother’s ketubah document and is enforceable as a creditor’s claim but her mother’s own claim to sustenance as a widow is based on the same document and not thus enforceable..
HALAKHAH: “If the daughter married, the husband has to sustain her,” etc. What is the status of the ketubah stipulations if he wrote them in the document29All the stipulations enumerated in Mishnaiot 4:7 ff. are enforceable even if they are not written in the ketubah. What is the legal difference between a ketubah in which the stipulations are explicit and one in which they are implicit?? Rebbi Jacob bar Aḥa said, Rebbi Joḥanan and Rebbi Simeon ben Laqish disagree. Rebbi Joḥanan said, he wrote them for emphasis30Without legal consequences. (In Rashi’s interpretation of the Babli, 102b, Rav Ashi agrees.); Rebbi Simeon ben Laqish said, he wrote them to collect from encumbered property. Rebbi Jeremiah switched the traditions31He switched the attributions to R. Joḥanan and R. Simeon ben Laqish. Therefore, the discussion proceeds without referring to names.. Rebbi Yudan said, a Mishnah supports him who said, he wrote them for emphasis, since we stated there32Mishnah Giṭṭin 5:3.: “One does not foreclose from mortgaged property to indemnify for produce or investment33If somebody sold a field, the title to which was later disputed and the court awarded the title to another person who then takes the field away from the buyer. The innocent buyer then has regress on the fraudulent seller. Real estate is always sold with a title guarantee; therefore the value of the field can be taken from the seller’s mortgaged property (depending on the time of sale). But both the value of the standing crop which the buyer lost, and the value of the investments the buyer made in the property cannot be recovered from mortgaged property. The main difference is that the privileged amount, the value of the field, is a well-defined sum written in the sales contract, whereas the rest are open-ended obligations which cannot be foreseen and whose inclusion in the causes for foreclosure would bring all real estate transactions to a halt., or sustenance of widow and daughters34These also are open-ended obligations which cannot be estimated beforehand; they cannot be enforced against mortgage holders, in contrast to the ketubah sum which is well-defined., in order not to impede the economy.” Are [the first categories] not based on a document? Here also based on the document35Since the regress of the buyer on the fraudulent seller is based on the sales contract, and it turns out that only part of the claim can be satisfied by foreclosure, it shows that the ketubah document also has parts which have the status of certificates of indebtedness and other parts which cannot be enforced by foreclosure.. Rebbi Ḥanania said, “since her status is that of a creditor”! Is that not based on a document? Here also based on the document36The wife’s daughter’s claim is also based on her mother’s ketubah document and is enforceable as a creditor’s claim but her mother’s own claim to sustenance as a widow is based on the same document and not thus enforceable..
מֵתָה אֵינָהּ עִמָּהּ. נִתְגָּרְשָׁה אֵין עִמָּהּ. הֶחֱזִירָהּ. מָאן דְּאָמַר. לִכְתוּבָּה אֲבָל לֹא לִתְנָאִין תַּנֵּי. מָאן דְּאָמַר. בֵּין לִכְתוּבָּה בֵין לִתְנָאִין. מַה הֲנֵי. הַפִּיקְחִים הָיוּ כוֹתְבִין. עַל מְנָת שֶׁאֲנִי זָן אֶת בִּתֵּךְ חָמֵשׁ שָׁנִים כָּל זְמַן שֶׁאַתְּ עִמִּי. וְתַנֵּי עֲלָהּ. וּבִלְבַד מִן הַנִּישּׂוּאִין הָרִאשׁוֹנִים. וְאַתיָיא כַּיי דָמַר רִבִּי חֲנִינָה. הַמֵּשִׂיא אֶת בְּנוֹ בַּבַּיִת זָכָה בַבַּיִת. וּבִלְבַד מִן הַנִּישּׂוּאִין הָרִאשׁוֹנִים.
If she dies she is not with him37This refers to the stipulation of the “intelligent” who limit their liability.. If she was divorced she is not with him. If he took her back38Without writing a new ketubah document, as authorized in Mishnah 9:13 (Note 240).? One says, this was stated for the ketubah but not for the stipulations; one says, both for the ketubah and the stipulations, which opinion is valid39R. Nissim Gerondi (commentary on the Mishnah) has a smoother text: מָאן דְּאָמַר. לִכְתוּבָּה אֲבָל לֹא לִתְנָאִין הָכָא לִתְנָאִין. הָכָא נַמֵּי. נַמֵּי. מָאן דְּאָמַר. בֵּין לִכְתוּבָּה בֵין “Following the one who says, this was stated for the ketubah but not for the stipulations, it is clear; following the one who says, both for the ketubah and the stipulations, it is clear.” But since הָכָא נַמֵּי is purely Babylonian style, his text is a paraphrase, not a variant reading.? “The intelligent ones did write: On condition that I support your daughter for five years the entire time you are with me;” on that it was stated: Only for the first marriage40Even if in general stipulations are re-instated with remarriage, this particular condition has been permanently terminated by the divorce. It could only be re-instated by a separate document.. This parallels what Rebbi Ḥanina said, if somebody marries off his son in a house, the latter acquires the house, but only for a first marriage41He gives them a house to live in alone during their wedding week; cf. 5:1 Note 23 (Babli 144a). For the Babli, there would be no parallel since there, R. Ḥanina assigns the house only to the oldest son who marries a virgin, and a woman with a daughter by another man is not a virgin..
If she dies she is not with him37This refers to the stipulation of the “intelligent” who limit their liability.. If she was divorced she is not with him. If he took her back38Without writing a new ketubah document, as authorized in Mishnah 9:13 (Note 240).? One says, this was stated for the ketubah but not for the stipulations; one says, both for the ketubah and the stipulations, which opinion is valid39R. Nissim Gerondi (commentary on the Mishnah) has a smoother text: מָאן דְּאָמַר. לִכְתוּבָּה אֲבָל לֹא לִתְנָאִין הָכָא לִתְנָאִין. הָכָא נַמֵּי. נַמֵּי. מָאן דְּאָמַר. בֵּין לִכְתוּבָּה בֵין “Following the one who says, this was stated for the ketubah but not for the stipulations, it is clear; following the one who says, both for the ketubah and the stipulations, it is clear.” But since הָכָא נַמֵּי is purely Babylonian style, his text is a paraphrase, not a variant reading.? “The intelligent ones did write: On condition that I support your daughter for five years the entire time you are with me;” on that it was stated: Only for the first marriage40Even if in general stipulations are re-instated with remarriage, this particular condition has been permanently terminated by the divorce. It could only be re-instated by a separate document.. This parallels what Rebbi Ḥanina said, if somebody marries off his son in a house, the latter acquires the house, but only for a first marriage41He gives them a house to live in alone during their wedding week; cf. 5:1 Note 23 (Babli 144a). For the Babli, there would be no parallel since there, R. Ḥanina assigns the house only to the oldest son who marries a virgin, and a woman with a daughter by another man is not a virgin..