Talmud Yerushalmi
Yerushalmi Orlah 2:5 ירושלמי ערלה ב׳:ה׳
Part of: Chapter 2
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משנה: תַּבְלִין שְׁנַיִם וּשְׁלֹשָׁה שֵׁמוֹת מִמִּין אֶחָד אוֹ מִשְּׁלֹשָׁה אָסוּר וּמִצְטָרְפִין. רִבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן אוֹמֵר שְׁנַיִם וּשְׁלֹשָׁה שֵׁמוֹת מִמִּין אֶחָד אוֹ שְׁנֵי מִינִין מִשֵּׁם אֶחָד אִין מִצְטָרְפִין.
MISHNAH: Spices129Of heave, ‘orlah, etc., two or three names from one kind130For example black, white, and long pepper (Rashi, Šabbat 89b, Avodah Zarah 66b). Maimonides brings as example different sorts of cardamum which are never sold together., or [one name for] three are forbidden and combine. Rebbi Simeon says, two or three names from one kind, or two kinds of the same name, do not combine.
MISHNAH: Spices129Of heave, ‘orlah, etc., two or three names from one kind130For example black, white, and long pepper (Rashi, Šabbat 89b, Avodah Zarah 66b). Maimonides brings as example different sorts of cardamum which are never sold together., or [one name for] three are forbidden and combine. Rebbi Simeon says, two or three names from one kind, or two kinds of the same name, do not combine.
הלכה: נִיחָא שְׁנֵי שֵׁמוֹת מִמִּין אֶחָד שְׁנֵי מִינִין מִשֵּׁם אֶחָד. רִבִּי אַבָּהוּ בְּשֵׁם רִבִּי לָעְזָר בְּמִינֵי מְתִיקָה שָׁנוּ.
HALAKHAH: We understand two names for one kind. But two kinds of one name? Rebbi Abbahu in the name of Rebbi Eleazar: They taught this about sweeteners.
HALAKHAH: We understand two names for one kind. But two kinds of one name? Rebbi Abbahu in the name of Rebbi Eleazar: They taught this about sweeteners.
רִבִּי אַבָּהוּ בְשֵׁם רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן שְׁלֹשָׁה נוֹתְנֵי טְעָמִים הֵן. כָּל שֶׁהַהֶדְיוֹט טוֹעֲמוֹ וְאוֹמֵר קְדֵירָה זוֹ אֵינָהּ חֲסֵירָה וְנָפַל זוֹ הִיא נוֹתֵן טַעַם לִשְׁבָח מוּתָּר. וַאֲפִילוּ אָמַר תַּבְלִין פְּלוֹנִי יֵשׁ בִּקְדֵירָה זוֹ. זוֹ הִיא נוֹתֵן טַעַם לִפְגָם מוּתָּר. וְכָל שֶׁהָאוּמָן טֹעֲמוֹ וְאוֹמֵר תַּבְלִין פְּלוֹנִי יֵשׁ בִּקְדֵירָה. זֶה הוּא נוֹתֵן טַעַם לִפְגָם אָסוּר.
Rebbi Abbahu in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan, there are three kinds of imparting taste. Anything a common person tastes and says, this dish is not missing anything, if it fell in, it may improve the taste but is permitted131Since the person who is not a professional cook or food taster finds the dish perfect, the later addition of forbidden spice either does not add anything; then it will be permitted if it is less than 1/100 (or 1/200) of the whole; or it will spoil the taste and be permitted outright.. Even if he says, this dish contains spice x, when it spoils the taste it is permitted. But if a professional tastes it and says, this dish contains spice x132But a non-professional would not taste it and for him the additional spice might improve the taste, the addition is not considered spoiling and is forbidden in the most minute amount., when it spoils the taste it is forbidden.
Rebbi Abbahu in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan, there are three kinds of imparting taste. Anything a common person tastes and says, this dish is not missing anything, if it fell in, it may improve the taste but is permitted131Since the person who is not a professional cook or food taster finds the dish perfect, the later addition of forbidden spice either does not add anything; then it will be permitted if it is less than 1/100 (or 1/200) of the whole; or it will spoil the taste and be permitted outright.. Even if he says, this dish contains spice x, when it spoils the taste it is permitted. But if a professional tastes it and says, this dish contains spice x132But a non-professional would not taste it and for him the additional spice might improve the taste, the addition is not considered spoiling and is forbidden in the most minute amount., when it spoils the taste it is forbidden.
רִבִּי אַבָּהוּ בְשֵׁם רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן כָּל הָאִיסּוּרִין מְשַׁעֲרִין אוֹתָן כִּילּוּ בָּצָל כִּילוּ קֵפָלוֹט. עַד כְּדוֹן דָּבָר שֶׁדַּרְכּוֹ לְהִשְׁתָּעֵר בְּבָצָל וּבְקֵפָלוֹט. דָּבָר שֶׁאֵין דַּרְכּוֹ לְהִשְׁתָּעֵר בְּבָצָל וּבְקֵפָלוֹט בְּמָה אַתָּה מְשָׁעֲרוֹ. הַכָּמוֹן בְּמָה אַתְּ מְשָׁעֲרָן.
Rebbi Abbahu in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan, all forbidden [food] is estimated as if it were onion, as if it were leeks133Cf. Terumot 10:1, Notes 8–12; Babli Ḥulin 97b. Any foodstuffs usually estimated as if they were onion, as if they were leeks, are ingredients for cooking. Things not usually estimated as if they were onion, as if they were leeks, such as cumin, are used on top of bread or dishes. The problem is that one may not taste the dish or bread because it contains a forbidden substance and might be forbidden.. That is, anything usually estimated as if it were onion, as if it were leeks. Anything which is not usually estimated as if it were onion, as if it were leeks, how do you estimate it? How do you estimate cumin?
Rebbi Abbahu in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan, all forbidden [food] is estimated as if it were onion, as if it were leeks133Cf. Terumot 10:1, Notes 8–12; Babli Ḥulin 97b. Any foodstuffs usually estimated as if they were onion, as if they were leeks, are ingredients for cooking. Things not usually estimated as if they were onion, as if they were leeks, such as cumin, are used on top of bread or dishes. The problem is that one may not taste the dish or bread because it contains a forbidden substance and might be forbidden.. That is, anything usually estimated as if it were onion, as if it were leeks. Anything which is not usually estimated as if it were onion, as if it were leeks, how do you estimate it? How do you estimate cumin?
אָמַר רִבִּי יוּדָן לֹא כֵן אָמַר רִבִּי אַבָּהוּ בְּשֵׁם רִבִּי לָעְזָר בְּמִינֵי מְתִיקָה שָׁנוּ. מִינֵי מְתִיקָה עַל יְדֵי שֶׁדַּרְכָּן לְהִשְׁתָּעֵר בְּבָצָל וּבְקֵפָלוֹט מְשַׁעֲרִין אוֹתוֹ כִּילּוּ בָּצָל כִּילוּ קֵפָלוֹט. שְׁאָר כָּל הָאִיסּוּרִין עַל יְדֵי שֶׁאֵין דַּרְכָּן לְהִשְׁתָּעֵר בְּבָצָל וּבְקֵפָלוֹט מְשַׁעֲרִין אוֹתָן בְּמִינָן. הַכָּמוֹן מְשַׁעֲרִין אוֹתוֹ בְּמִינוֹ.
Rebbi Yudan said, did not Rebbi Abbahu say in the name of Rebbi Eleazar, they taught this about sweeteners? Since sweeteners usually are estimated as if they were onion or leeks, one estimates them as if they were onion or leeks. All other forbidden [foods], since they are not usually estimated as if they were onion or leeks one estimates in their kinds. Cumin one estimates by its kind134Since usually one does not use forbidden cumin, one will know how much to take to induce the flavor of cumin in the finished product..
Rebbi Yudan said, did not Rebbi Abbahu say in the name of Rebbi Eleazar, they taught this about sweeteners? Since sweeteners usually are estimated as if they were onion or leeks, one estimates them as if they were onion or leeks. All other forbidden [foods], since they are not usually estimated as if they were onion or leeks one estimates in their kinds. Cumin one estimates by its kind134Since usually one does not use forbidden cumin, one will know how much to take to induce the flavor of cumin in the finished product..
רִבִּי מָנָא לֹא אָמַר כֵּן אֶלָּא לֹא כֵן אָמַר רִבִּי אַבָּהוּ אָמַר רִבִּי לָעְזָר בְּמִינֵי מְתִיקָה שָׁנוּ. מִינֵי מְתִיקָה עַל יְדֵי שֶׁטַּעֲמָן שָׁוֶה מְשַׁעֲרִין אוֹתָן כִּילּוּ בָּצָל כִּילוּ קֵפָלוֹט. שְׁאָר כָּל הָאִיסּוּרִין עַל יְדֵי שֶׁאֵין טַעֲמָן שָׁוֶה אֵין מְשַׁעֲרִין אוֹתָן כִּילּוּ בָּצָל כִּילוּ קֵפָלוֹט. הַכָּמוֹן צְרִיכָה.
Rebbi Mana did not say so but: Did not Rebbi Abbahu say in the name of Rebbi Eleazar, they taught this about sweeteners? Since sweeteners all taste the same, they are estimated as if they were onion, as if they were leeks. All other forbidden [foods], since they do not taste the same one does not estimate them as if they were onion, as if they were leeks. Cumin is a problem135In the absence of standards for judging, it remains forbidden..
Rebbi Mana did not say so but: Did not Rebbi Abbahu say in the name of Rebbi Eleazar, they taught this about sweeteners? Since sweeteners all taste the same, they are estimated as if they were onion, as if they were leeks. All other forbidden [foods], since they do not taste the same one does not estimate them as if they were onion, as if they were leeks. Cumin is a problem135In the absence of standards for judging, it remains forbidden..
רִבִּי אַבָּהוּ בְשֵׁם רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן כָּל נוֹתְנֵי טְעָמִים אֵין לוֹקִין עֲלֵיהֶן עַד שֶׁיִּטְעוֹם טַעַם מַמָּשׁוֹ שֶׁלְאִיסּוּר. הָתִיב רִבִּי חָמָא בַּר יוֹסֵי קוֹמֵי רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן הֲרֵי בָּשָׂר בְּחָלָב הֲרֵי לֹא טָעַם מַמָּשׁוֹ שֶׁלְאִיסּוּר וְאַתְּ אָמַר לוֹקֶה. וְקִבְּלָהּ. מַהוּ וְקִבְּלָהּ. כְּאִינָּשׁ דְּשָׁמַע מִילֵּיהּ דְּבַעַל דִּינָא קִבְּלָהּ.
136From here to the end of the Halakhah, the text is also in Nazir 6:1 (fol. 54d). Rebbi Abbahu in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan: One does not whip for anything imparting taste until he tasted the forbidden thing itself137A person eating forbidden food cannot be criminally prosecuted unless he ate at least the volume of an olive of the forbidden substance. Taste makes a mixture forbidden but not criminally.. Rebbi Ḥama bar Yose138A student of R. Hoshaia, Amora of the early second generation in Galilee. objected before Rebbi Joḥanan: There is meat in milk, where he did not taste the forbidden thing itself139If meat is cooked in milk and then the meat is removed, the person drinking the milk is criminally liable even though he did not eat from the meat. and you say that he is whipped! He accepted that. What means, he accepted that? Like a person who listens to the argument of the opposing party he accepted it.140He did not find it necessary to respond since he has his own argument. The question is obviously invalid since the milk is as strictly forbidden as is the meat since milk and meat are treated as parallels in the verses.
136From here to the end of the Halakhah, the text is also in Nazir 6:1 (fol. 54d). Rebbi Abbahu in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan: One does not whip for anything imparting taste until he tasted the forbidden thing itself137A person eating forbidden food cannot be criminally prosecuted unless he ate at least the volume of an olive of the forbidden substance. Taste makes a mixture forbidden but not criminally.. Rebbi Ḥama bar Yose138A student of R. Hoshaia, Amora of the early second generation in Galilee. objected before Rebbi Joḥanan: There is meat in milk, where he did not taste the forbidden thing itself139If meat is cooked in milk and then the meat is removed, the person drinking the milk is criminally liable even though he did not eat from the meat. and you say that he is whipped! He accepted that. What means, he accepted that? Like a person who listens to the argument of the opposing party he accepted it.140He did not find it necessary to respond since he has his own argument. The question is obviously invalid since the milk is as strictly forbidden as is the meat since milk and meat are treated as parallels in the verses.
רִבִּי אַבָּהוּ בְשֵׁם רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן כָּל נוֹתְנֵי טְעָמִים אֵין לוֹקִין עֲלֵיהֶן חוּץ מִנּוֹתְנֵי טַעַם שֶׁל נָזִיר. אָמַר רִבִּי זְעִירָא כָּל נוֹתֵן טַעַם אֵין לוֹקִין עֲלֵיהֶן עַד שֶׁיִּטְעוֹם טַעַם מַמָּשׁוֹ שֶׁל אִיסּוּר וּבְנָזִיר אֲפִילוּ לֹא טָעַם טַעַם מַמָּשׁוֹ שֶׁלְאִיסּוּר. אָמַר רִבִּי בָּא בַּר מָמָל כָּל נוֹתְנֵי טְעָמִים אֵין אִיסּוּר וְהֵיתֵר מִצְטָרְפִין. וּבְנָזִיר אִיסּוּר וְהֵיתֵר מִצְטָרְפִין. מַתְנִיתָא מְסַיְיעָא לְדֵין וּמַתְנִיתָא מְסַיְיעָא לְדֵין. מַתְנִיתָא מְסַיְיעָא לְרִבִּי זְעִירָא. כְּזַיִת יַיִן שֶׁנָּפַל לִקְדֵירָה אָכַל מִמֶּנָּה כְּזַיִת פָּטוּר עַד שֶׁיֹּאכַל אֶת כּוּלָּהּ. עַל דַּעְתֵּיהּ דְּרִבִּי בָּא בַּר מָמָל כֵּיוָן שֶׁאָכַל מִמֶּנָּה כְּזַיִת חַיָיב. מַתְנִיתָא מְסַיְיעָא לְרִבִּי בָּא בַּר מָמָל. מְמַשְׁמַע שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר וְכָל מִשְׁרַת עֲנָבִים לֹא יִשְׁתֶּה וְכִי מָה הִנִּיחַ הַכָּתוּב שֶׁלֹּא אֲמָרוֹ. אָלָּא לְפִי שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר מִכֹּל אֲשֶׁר יֵעָשֶׂה מִגֶּפֶן הַיַּיִן מֵחַרְצָנִים וְעַד זָג לֹא יֹאכֵל. מִיַּיִן וְשֵׁכָר יַזִּיר. מַה תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר וְכָל מִשְׁרַת עֲנָבִים לֹא יִשְׁתֶּה. אֶלָּא שֶׁאִם שָׁרָה עֲנָבִים וְשָׁרָה פִיתּוֹ בָהֶן וְיֵשׁ בָּהֶן כְּדֵי לִצָרֵף בָּהֶן כְּזַיִת חַיָיב. מִיכָּן אַתָּה דָן לְכָל אִיסּוּרִין שֶׁבַּתּוֹרָה וּמָה אִם הַיּוֹצֵא מִן הַגֶּפֶן שֶׁאֵין אִיסּוּרוֹ אִיסּוּר עוֹלָם וְאֵין אִיסּוּרוֹ אִיסּוּר הֲנָאָה. וְיֵשׁ לוֹ הֵיתֵר אַחַר אִיסּוּרוֹ עָשָׂה בוֹ טַעַם כְּעִיקָּר. שְׁאָר כָּל הָאִיסּוּרִין שֶׁבַּתּוֹרָה שֶׁאִיסּוּרָן אִיסּוּר עוֹלָם וְאִיסּוּרָן אִיסּוּר הֲנָיָיה. וְאֵין לָהֶן הֵיתֵר אַחַר אִיסּוּרָן אֵינוֹ דִין שֶׁנַּעֲשֶׂה בָהֶן אֶת הַטַּעַם כְּעִיקָּר. מִיכָּן לָמְדוּ חֲכָמִים כָּל נוֹתְנֵי טְעָמִים שֶׁיְּהוּ אֲסוּרִין. וְקַשְׁיָא עַל דְּרִבִּי זְעִירָא. בְּכָל אָתָר אָמַר עַד שֶׁיִּטְעוֹם וָכָה אַתְּ אָמַר אֲפִילוּ לֹא טָעַם.
Rebbi Abbahu in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan: One does not whip for anything imparting taste except imparting taste for the nazir141Num. 6.. Rebbi Zeïra said, one does not whip for anything imparting taste until he tasted the forbidden thing itself except the nazir even if he did not taste the forbidden thing itself142R. Zeïra takes the statements of R. Abbahu in this and the preceding paragraph as one. A similar interpretation in Babli Pesaḥim 43b, Nazir 35b.. Rebbi Abba bar Mamal said, for food imparting taste what is forbidden and what is permitted are not combined, but for the nazir forbidden and permitted do combine143Since nobody can be punished for eating less than the volume of an olive of a forbidden substance, this is his interpretation of the statements of R. Abbahu.. A baraita supports one and a baraita supports the other. A baraita supports Rebbi Zeïra: If wine in the volume of an olive fell into a dish and he144A nazir. ate from it, he cannot be prosecuted unless he ate the entire dish. In the opinion of Rebbi Abba bar Mamal, if he ate the volume of an olive from it he is guilty. A baraita145A shortened version in Sifry Num. 23, a short reference to the argument is in Babli Pesaḥim 44a/b. supports Rebbi Abba bar Mamal: “What do we understand when it is said (Num. 6:3): ‘Anything in which grapes were soaked he should not eat’? What did the verse leave out that was not said? But since it was said (Num. 6:4): ‘anything made from the wine-vine, from seeds to grape skins he should not eat;’ (Num. 6:3) ‘from wine and liquor he shall abstain.’ Why does the verse say ‘anything in which grapes were soaked he should not eat’? That means that if he soaked grapes and then soaked his bread in that, if it146The amount of water soaked up by the bread. adds up to the volume of an olive, he is guilty. From here you argue about all prohibitions of the Torah. Since for all that comes from the vine, whose prohibition is neither permanent147It is forbidden only for the nazir and only for a period of time specified at the beginning., nor a prohibition of usufruct, and whose prohibition can be lifted148The vow of a nazir can be annulled just as any other vow can be annulled., He made taste like the thing itself; is it not logical that for all prohibitions of the Torah, whose prohibition is permanent, is a prohibition of usufruct, and whose prohibition cannot be lifted149At least one of these categories applies to any food prohibition in the Torah., that we150The principle formulated is divine for the nazir and rabbinic for all other prohibitions. treat taste like the thing itself151Babli Pesaḥim 44b.? From here, the Sages inferred that everything imparting taste is forbidden.” This is difficult for Rebbi Zeïra who says everywhere “unless he tasted152The forbidden food itself.”, and here he says, “even if he did not taste.”
Rebbi Abbahu in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan: One does not whip for anything imparting taste except imparting taste for the nazir141Num. 6.. Rebbi Zeïra said, one does not whip for anything imparting taste until he tasted the forbidden thing itself except the nazir even if he did not taste the forbidden thing itself142R. Zeïra takes the statements of R. Abbahu in this and the preceding paragraph as one. A similar interpretation in Babli Pesaḥim 43b, Nazir 35b.. Rebbi Abba bar Mamal said, for food imparting taste what is forbidden and what is permitted are not combined, but for the nazir forbidden and permitted do combine143Since nobody can be punished for eating less than the volume of an olive of a forbidden substance, this is his interpretation of the statements of R. Abbahu.. A baraita supports one and a baraita supports the other. A baraita supports Rebbi Zeïra: If wine in the volume of an olive fell into a dish and he144A nazir. ate from it, he cannot be prosecuted unless he ate the entire dish. In the opinion of Rebbi Abba bar Mamal, if he ate the volume of an olive from it he is guilty. A baraita145A shortened version in Sifry Num. 23, a short reference to the argument is in Babli Pesaḥim 44a/b. supports Rebbi Abba bar Mamal: “What do we understand when it is said (Num. 6:3): ‘Anything in which grapes were soaked he should not eat’? What did the verse leave out that was not said? But since it was said (Num. 6:4): ‘anything made from the wine-vine, from seeds to grape skins he should not eat;’ (Num. 6:3) ‘from wine and liquor he shall abstain.’ Why does the verse say ‘anything in which grapes were soaked he should not eat’? That means that if he soaked grapes and then soaked his bread in that, if it146The amount of water soaked up by the bread. adds up to the volume of an olive, he is guilty. From here you argue about all prohibitions of the Torah. Since for all that comes from the vine, whose prohibition is neither permanent147It is forbidden only for the nazir and only for a period of time specified at the beginning., nor a prohibition of usufruct, and whose prohibition can be lifted148The vow of a nazir can be annulled just as any other vow can be annulled., He made taste like the thing itself; is it not logical that for all prohibitions of the Torah, whose prohibition is permanent, is a prohibition of usufruct, and whose prohibition cannot be lifted149At least one of these categories applies to any food prohibition in the Torah., that we150The principle formulated is divine for the nazir and rabbinic for all other prohibitions. treat taste like the thing itself151Babli Pesaḥim 44b.? From here, the Sages inferred that everything imparting taste is forbidden.” This is difficult for Rebbi Zeïra who says everywhere “unless he tasted152The forbidden food itself.”, and here he says, “even if he did not taste.”