Talmud Yerushalmi
Yerushalmi Shevuot 6:2 ירושלמי שבועות ו׳:ב׳
Part of: Chapter 6
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משנה: מְנָה לִי בְיָדֶךָ אָמַר לוֹ הֵין וּלְמָחָר אָמַר לוֹ תְּנֵיהוּ לִי נְתַתִּיו לָךְ פָּטוּר. מְנָה לִי בְיָדֶךָ אָמַר לוֹ הֵין אַל תִּתְּנֵיהוּ לִי אֶלָּא בִפְנֵי עֵדִים. לְמָחָר אָמַר לוֹ תְּנֵהוּ לִי נְתַתִּיו לָךְ חַיָיב מִפְּנֵי שֶׁצָּרִיךְ לִיתְּנֵם בִּפְנֵי עֵדִים:
MISHNAH: “You are holding a mina for me;” he said “yes”26Mishnah 2.. The next day he said, “return it to me,” “I returned it to you;” he is not liable32Since he already admitted his entire obligation in the presence of witnesses, there is no occasion for an oath. It is up to the claimant to prove the defendant’s guilt by witnesses or documents.. “You are holding a mina for me;” he said “yes.” “Return it to me only in the presence of witnesses.” The next day he said, “return it to me,” “I returned it to you;” he is liable33To pay the entire sum, see the preceding Note. since he is required to return it in the presence of witnesses.
MISHNAH: “You are holding a mina for me;” he said “yes”26Mishnah 2.. The next day he said, “return it to me,” “I returned it to you;” he is not liable32Since he already admitted his entire obligation in the presence of witnesses, there is no occasion for an oath. It is up to the claimant to prove the defendant’s guilt by witnesses or documents.. “You are holding a mina for me;” he said “yes.” “Return it to me only in the presence of witnesses.” The next day he said, “return it to me,” “I returned it to you;” he is liable33To pay the entire sum, see the preceding Note. since he is required to return it in the presence of witnesses.
הלכה: מְנָה לִי בְיָדֶךָ כול׳. אָמַר רִבִּי בּוּן. דֶּרֶךְ בְּנֵי אָדָם לְהַלְווֹת לְחַבְרֵיהֶן שֶׁלֹּא בָעֵדִים וּלְתוֹבְעָן בְּעֵדִים.
HALAKHAH: “You are holding a mina for me;” etc. Rebbi Abun34He seems to be identical with R. Avin quoted in the preceding paragraph (which also refers to Mishnah 2) and the father of R. Yose ben R. Bun. said, it is usual for people to give loans to others not in the presence of witnesses but to ask for repayment in the presence of witnesses35Even though it is not legally necessary, it is recommended that requests for repayment be made in front of witnesses to obtain admission by the debtor of the existence of the debt as presupposed in the Mishnah..
HALAKHAH: “You are holding a mina for me;” etc. Rebbi Abun34He seems to be identical with R. Avin quoted in the preceding paragraph (which also refers to Mishnah 2) and the father of R. Yose ben R. Bun. said, it is usual for people to give loans to others not in the presence of witnesses but to ask for repayment in the presence of witnesses35Even though it is not legally necessary, it is recommended that requests for repayment be made in front of witnesses to obtain admission by the debtor of the existence of the debt as presupposed in the Mishnah..
מְנָה לִי בְיָדֶךָ. אָמַר לוֹ. הֵין. אַל תִּתְּנֵיהוּ לִי אֶלָּא בִפְנֵי פְלוֹנִי וּפְלוֹנִי. לְמָחָר אָמַר לוֹ. תְּנֵיהוּ לִי. נְתַתִּיו לָךְ. חַיָיב. שֶׁצָּרִיךְ לְהַחֲזִיר לוֹ בָעֵדִים. הַגַּע עַצְמָךְ דְּאָמַר לֵיהּ. נְתַתִּיו לָךְ בָּעֵדִים. תַּנֵּי בַּר קַפָּרָא. בְּמַעֲמַד פְּלוֹנִי וּפְלוֹנִי. הַגַּע עַצְמָךְ דְּאָמַר לֵיהּ. בְּמַעֲמַד פְּלוֹנִי וּפְלוֹנִי. רִבִּי בָּא רַב הַמְנוּנָא רַב אָדָא בַּר אַהֲבָה בְשֵׁם רַב. מַעֲשֶׂה בָא לִפְנֵי רִבִּי וְאָמַר. יָבוֹאוּ פְּלוֹנִי וּפְלוֹנִי.
“You are holding a mina for me;” he said “yes.” “Return it to me only in the presence of X and Y.” The next day he said, “return it to me,” “I returned it to you;” he is liable33To pay the entire sum, see the preceding Note. since he is required to return it in the presence of witnesses. Think of it, if he said, I returned it in the presence of witnesses. Bar Kappara stated: “when X and Y are standing there.” Think of it, if he said, “when X were Y are standing there.” Rebbi Abba, Rav Hamnuna, Rebbi Ada bar Ahava35Even though it is not legally necessary, it is recommended that requests for repayment be made in front of witnesses to obtain admission by the debtor of the existence of the debt as presupposed in the Mishnah. in the name of Rav: A case came before Rebbi, and he said, let X and Y come36The questions are besides the point. If there were witnesses, it is not a question of whether a statement of the defendant can be believed, nor whether he should swear; it is up to the court to listen to the witnesses. In the Babli, 41b, the question is raised if the return was made in the presence of witnesses but not those specified by the lender. It seems that the formulation by Bar Kappara requires return only in the presence of the specified witnesses..
“You are holding a mina for me;” he said “yes.” “Return it to me only in the presence of X and Y.” The next day he said, “return it to me,” “I returned it to you;” he is liable33To pay the entire sum, see the preceding Note. since he is required to return it in the presence of witnesses. Think of it, if he said, I returned it in the presence of witnesses. Bar Kappara stated: “when X and Y are standing there.” Think of it, if he said, “when X were Y are standing there.” Rebbi Abba, Rav Hamnuna, Rebbi Ada bar Ahava35Even though it is not legally necessary, it is recommended that requests for repayment be made in front of witnesses to obtain admission by the debtor of the existence of the debt as presupposed in the Mishnah. in the name of Rav: A case came before Rebbi, and he said, let X and Y come36The questions are besides the point. If there were witnesses, it is not a question of whether a statement of the defendant can be believed, nor whether he should swear; it is up to the court to listen to the witnesses. In the Babli, 41b, the question is raised if the return was made in the presence of witnesses but not those specified by the lender. It seems that the formulation by Bar Kappara requires return only in the presence of the specified witnesses..
הֲרֵי שֶׁבָּא בִשְׁטָר וּבַחֲזָקָה. רִבִּי אוֹמֵר. יִדּוֹן בִּשְׁטָר. רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל אוֹמֵר. יִדּוֹן בַּחֲזָקָה. רִבִּי זֵירָא בְשֵׁם רַב יִרְמְיָה. מַעֲשֶׂה בָא לִפְנֵי רִבִּי יְהוּדָה כְרַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל. רִבִּי יִרְמְיָה בָעֵי קַמֵּי רִבִּי זֵירָא. מַה. מִחְלְפָה שִׁיטָּתֵיהּ דְּרִבִּי. תַּמָּן אָמַר. יִדּוֹן בִּשְׁטָר. וָכָא אָמַר. יִדּוֹן בַּחֲזָקָה. נֵימַר. עַד דְּלֹא יַחְזוֹר בֵּיהּ. וַאֲפִילוּ תֵימַר מִדְּחָזַר בֵּיהּ. לֹא בִיקֵּשׁ רִבִּי אֶלָּא לַעֲמוֹד עַל אֲמִיתָן שֶׁלִּדְבָרִים. הַמַּחֲזִיק מַחֲמַת אוֹנוֹ וְנִמְצֵאת פְּסוּלָה אֵינָהּ חֲזָקָה. רִבִּי יִרְמְיָה אָמַר. בַּמַּחֲלוּקֶת. רִבִּי שְׁמוּאֵל אָמַר רִבִּי זֵירָא רִבִּי יַעֲקֹב בַּר אָחָא בְשֵׁם רִבִּי אַבִּינָּא. דִּבְרֵי הַכֹּל הִיא. אָמַר רִבִּי יוֹסֵי. תַּמָּן בְּבָא בִשְׁטָר וּבַחֲזָקָה. הָכָא בָּבָא בִשְׁטָר. אָמַר רִבִּי יוּדָן. תַּמָּן בְּבָא בִשְׁתֵּי כִיתֵּי עֵדִים. הָכָא בְכוֹפֵר בִּרְאָיוֹתָיו.
37The following does not concern oaths but judicial rules concerning real estate. Babli Bava batra169b. If somebody produced both a document and ḥazaqah38“Grasping”, a legal term with different meanings in different domains of law (cf. Ketubot5:5 Note 100, Qiddušin1:1 Note 30.) It can mean taking possession by active use, but here it means a presumption of permanence of an established status quo ante. The particular application meant here is validation of squatter’s rights after three years of uncontested occupation (which must be combined with a claim, not necessarily proven, of rightful acquisition, Bava qamma7:4 Note 49.). Rebbi says, it should be judged by the document. Rabban Simeon ben Gamliel says, it should be judged by ḥazaqah39Obviously all means of proof should be admitted; the question is which should be given the greater weight in the judges’ deliberations.. Rebbi Ze`ira in the name of Rav Jeremiah: A case came before Rebbi Jehudah following Rabban Simeon ben Gamliel40The text is questionable since “R. Jehudah” clearly is Rebbi, (R. Jehudah ben Simeon) as follows from the sequel, and the sentence is missing a verb. Probably one should read: Rebbi judged following Rabban Simeon ben Gamliel.. Rebbi Jeremiah asked before Rebbi Ze`ira: How? Did Rebbi switch his opinion? There he said, it should be judged by the document. But here he said it should be judged by ḥazaqah. Would we say, before he changed his opinion41Since Rebbi was a student of his father Rabban Simeon, he certainly started out following the latter’s opinion and only later developed his own, differing, approach.? Even if you say, after he changed his opinion. Rebbi only wanted to determine the truth of the matter42Theoretical preferences should never impede the search for the truth. Babli Bava batra170a/b.. “If somebody occupied real estate on the basis of a document of sale43Greek ὠνή “document of sale”. and it was found invalid, this is not ḥazaqah44As mentioned in Note 38, proof of legal possession by proof of undisturbed occupation is admissible only if based on a claim of legal acquisition. This claim does not necessarily have to be proven; the person in possession might claim, e. g., either that he inherited under intestate rules or that the sale document was eaten by the rats. But if he tries to prove his claim by presenting a forged document, any claim of ḥazaqah based on the document must be thrown out by the court. The only problem is whether he should be allowed to plead a substitute claim..”45Tosephta Bava batra2:2. Rebbi Jeremiah said, in dispute46R. Jeremiah (the fourth generation Amora, not the first generation Rav Jeremiah) thinks that Rebbi would prohibit any substitute claim while Rabban Simeon would allow an examination of proof of undisturbed occupation even after rejection of the document.. Rebbi Samuel said, Rebbi Ze`ira, Rebbi Jacob bar Aḥa in the name of Rebbi Abinna: it is everybody’s opinion47If the document proving the claim is found invalid, the claim of squatter’s rights is also invalidated. In this Rebbi and Rabban Simeon agree.. Rebbi Yose said, there if one produced both a document and ḥazaqah. Here if he came with a document48The difference between Rebbi and his father is about a case where both a document and a claim of ḥazaqah are presented to the court, where either one alone would be sufficient. The Tosephta deals with a case where a forged document was produced and only after it was rejected a claim of ḥazaqah was entered.. Rebbi Yudan said, there if he presented two groups of witnesses; here one who contradicts his own proofs49Rebbi and Rabban Simeon disagree on how to handle a case where the claimant produces two sets of witnesses testifying to different aspects of the case. The Tosephta states that after a claim of documentary proof has been rejected, a subsequent claim which is logically inconsistent with the first one will not be considered by the court..
37The following does not concern oaths but judicial rules concerning real estate. Babli Bava batra169b. If somebody produced both a document and ḥazaqah38“Grasping”, a legal term with different meanings in different domains of law (cf. Ketubot5:5 Note 100, Qiddušin1:1 Note 30.) It can mean taking possession by active use, but here it means a presumption of permanence of an established status quo ante. The particular application meant here is validation of squatter’s rights after three years of uncontested occupation (which must be combined with a claim, not necessarily proven, of rightful acquisition, Bava qamma7:4 Note 49.). Rebbi says, it should be judged by the document. Rabban Simeon ben Gamliel says, it should be judged by ḥazaqah39Obviously all means of proof should be admitted; the question is which should be given the greater weight in the judges’ deliberations.. Rebbi Ze`ira in the name of Rav Jeremiah: A case came before Rebbi Jehudah following Rabban Simeon ben Gamliel40The text is questionable since “R. Jehudah” clearly is Rebbi, (R. Jehudah ben Simeon) as follows from the sequel, and the sentence is missing a verb. Probably one should read: Rebbi judged following Rabban Simeon ben Gamliel.. Rebbi Jeremiah asked before Rebbi Ze`ira: How? Did Rebbi switch his opinion? There he said, it should be judged by the document. But here he said it should be judged by ḥazaqah. Would we say, before he changed his opinion41Since Rebbi was a student of his father Rabban Simeon, he certainly started out following the latter’s opinion and only later developed his own, differing, approach.? Even if you say, after he changed his opinion. Rebbi only wanted to determine the truth of the matter42Theoretical preferences should never impede the search for the truth. Babli Bava batra170a/b.. “If somebody occupied real estate on the basis of a document of sale43Greek ὠνή “document of sale”. and it was found invalid, this is not ḥazaqah44As mentioned in Note 38, proof of legal possession by proof of undisturbed occupation is admissible only if based on a claim of legal acquisition. This claim does not necessarily have to be proven; the person in possession might claim, e. g., either that he inherited under intestate rules or that the sale document was eaten by the rats. But if he tries to prove his claim by presenting a forged document, any claim of ḥazaqah based on the document must be thrown out by the court. The only problem is whether he should be allowed to plead a substitute claim..”45Tosephta Bava batra2:2. Rebbi Jeremiah said, in dispute46R. Jeremiah (the fourth generation Amora, not the first generation Rav Jeremiah) thinks that Rebbi would prohibit any substitute claim while Rabban Simeon would allow an examination of proof of undisturbed occupation even after rejection of the document.. Rebbi Samuel said, Rebbi Ze`ira, Rebbi Jacob bar Aḥa in the name of Rebbi Abinna: it is everybody’s opinion47If the document proving the claim is found invalid, the claim of squatter’s rights is also invalidated. In this Rebbi and Rabban Simeon agree.. Rebbi Yose said, there if one produced both a document and ḥazaqah. Here if he came with a document48The difference between Rebbi and his father is about a case where both a document and a claim of ḥazaqah are presented to the court, where either one alone would be sufficient. The Tosephta deals with a case where a forged document was produced and only after it was rejected a claim of ḥazaqah was entered.. Rebbi Yudan said, there if he presented two groups of witnesses; here one who contradicts his own proofs49Rebbi and Rabban Simeon disagree on how to handle a case where the claimant produces two sets of witnesses testifying to different aspects of the case. The Tosephta states that after a claim of documentary proof has been rejected, a subsequent claim which is logically inconsistent with the first one will not be considered by the court..
רִבִּי מָרִינוּס הֲוָה עָרֵב לְכַלָּתֵיהּ וָהֲווּ דָיַינִין קֹמֵי רִבִּי חָמָא אֲבִי בַּר קַפָּרָא וְרִבִּי הוֹשַׁעְיָה. מִדְּהוֹדָה אָמַר לֵיהּ. יְהָבִית. שָׁאֲלוֹן לְרִבִּי חִיָיה רוֹבָה. שָׁאַל רִבִּי חִיָיה לְרִבִּי. הַמִּתְחַיֵיב בְּבֵית דִּין לֹא כָל הֵימֵינוּ. מַאי לֹא כָל הֵימֵינוּ. רִבִּי אַבָּהוּ בְשֵׁם רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן. אִם מֵעַצְמוֹ מְשַׁלֵּם נֶאֱמָן לוֹמַר נָתַתִּי. וְאִם מִפִּי אֲחֵרִים לֹא כָל הֵימֵינוּ. רִבִּי בּוּן בַּר כַּהֲנָא אָמַר. אַף בִּשְׁבוּעוֹת כֵּן. מָהוּ אַף בִּשְׁבוּעוֹת כֵּן. רִבִּי אַבָּהוּ בְשֵׁם רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן. אִם מֵעַצְמוֹ נִשְׁבָּע נֶאֱמָן לוֹמַר נִשְׁבַּעְתִּי. אִם מִפִּי אֲחֵרִים לֹא כָל הֵימֵינוּ.
Rebbi Marinus was guarantor for his daughter-in-law50He warranted all claims she might have against her husband from the marriage contract; Babli Bava meṣia`17a.. They went to court before Rebbi Ḥama the father of Bat Qappara and Rebbi Hoshaia51This must read: R. Ḥama the father of R. Hoshaia and Bar Qappara. The latter’s father was R. Eleazar haQappar.. After he had admitted he said to him, I gave. They asked the Elder Rebbi Ḥiyya; Rebbi Ḥiyya asked Rebbi: One who became liable in court cannot be trusted. What is the meaning of “he cannot be trusted”? Rebbi Abbahu in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan: If he pays on his own initiative, he is trusted when he says, I gave. But from the orders of others, he cannot be trusted52The question here and in the next case is, on whom is the burden of proof. Even though the rule is that “the burden of proof is on the claimant,” since his daughter-in-law had to go to court against him, he has to prove (by witnesses or a receipt) that he paid. Had he not initially denied his responsibility, the burden of proof would have been on the daughter- in-law.. Rebbi Abun bar Cahana said, also for oaths it is the same. What is the meaning of “also for oaths it is the same”? Rebbi Abbahu in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan: If he swears on his own initiative, he is trusted when he says, I swore. But from the orders of others, he cannot be trusted.
Rebbi Marinus was guarantor for his daughter-in-law50He warranted all claims she might have against her husband from the marriage contract; Babli Bava meṣia`17a.. They went to court before Rebbi Ḥama the father of Bat Qappara and Rebbi Hoshaia51This must read: R. Ḥama the father of R. Hoshaia and Bar Qappara. The latter’s father was R. Eleazar haQappar.. After he had admitted he said to him, I gave. They asked the Elder Rebbi Ḥiyya; Rebbi Ḥiyya asked Rebbi: One who became liable in court cannot be trusted. What is the meaning of “he cannot be trusted”? Rebbi Abbahu in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan: If he pays on his own initiative, he is trusted when he says, I gave. But from the orders of others, he cannot be trusted52The question here and in the next case is, on whom is the burden of proof. Even though the rule is that “the burden of proof is on the claimant,” since his daughter-in-law had to go to court against him, he has to prove (by witnesses or a receipt) that he paid. Had he not initially denied his responsibility, the burden of proof would have been on the daughter- in-law.. Rebbi Abun bar Cahana said, also for oaths it is the same. What is the meaning of “also for oaths it is the same”? Rebbi Abbahu in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan: If he swears on his own initiative, he is trusted when he says, I swore. But from the orders of others, he cannot be trusted.