Talmud Yerushalmi
Yerushalmi Yevamot 11:2 ירושלמי יבמות י״א:ב׳
Part of: Chapter 11
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משנה: גִּיּוֹרֶת שֶׁנִּתְגַּיְירוּ בָנֶיהָ עִמָּהּ לֹא חוֹלְצִין וְלֹא מְיַיבְּמִין אֲפִילוּ הוֹרָתוֹ שֶּׁל רִאשׁוֹן שֶׁלֹּא בִקְדוּשָּׁה וְלֵידָתוֹ בִקְדוּשָּׁה וְהַשֵּׁינִי הוֹרָתוֹ וְלֵידָתוֹ בִקְדוּשָּׁה וְכֵן שִׁפְחָה שֶׁנִּשְׁתַּחְרְרוּ בָנֶיהָ עִמָּהּ.
MISHNAH: The sons of a female convert who converted with her do neither perform ḥalîṣah nor levirate66Even if they biologically are children of the same father, they legally are not since the rules of family relationships are restricted to Jews. even if a first [son] was not conceived in holiness67Before conversion. but born in holiness and a second [son] was conceived and born in holiness. The same applies to a slave girl68Who before manumission already was Jewish as a slave. who was freed together with her sons.
MISHNAH: The sons of a female convert who converted with her do neither perform ḥalîṣah nor levirate66Even if they biologically are children of the same father, they legally are not since the rules of family relationships are restricted to Jews. even if a first [son] was not conceived in holiness67Before conversion. but born in holiness and a second [son] was conceived and born in holiness. The same applies to a slave girl68Who before manumission already was Jewish as a slave. who was freed together with her sons.
הלכה: גִּיּוֹרֶת שֶׁנִּתְגַּיְירָהּ כול׳. וַהֲלֹא הַגֵּר חַיָיב עַל אִמּוֹ וְאֵינוֹ חַיָיב עַל אָבִיו כְּדִבְרֵי רִבִּי יוֹסֵי הַגָּלִילִי. רִבִּי עֲקִיבָה אוֹמֵר. אָבִיו וְאִמּוֹ קִלֵּל. אֵת שֶׁהוּא חַיָיב עַל אִמּוֹ חַיָיב עַל אָבִיו. וְאֵת שֶׁאֵינוֹ חַיָיב עַל אִמּוֹ אֵינוֹ חַיָיב עַל אָבִיו. מוֹדֶה רִבִּי עֲקִיבָה בִשְׁתּוּקִי שֶׁהוּא חַיָיב עַל אִמּוֹ אַף עַל פִּי שֶׁאֵינוֹ חַיָיב עַל אָבִיו. רִבּי יַעֲקֹב בַּר אָחָא רִבִּי יָסָא בְשֵׁם רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן. מַה פְלִיגִין. בְּגֵר שֶׁהָיְתָה הוֹרָתוֹ שֶּׁלֹּא בִקְדוּשָּׁה וְלֵידָתוֹ בִקְדוּשָּׁה. אֲבָל בְּגֵר שֶׁהָיְתָה הוֹרָתוֹ וְלֵידָתוֹ בִקְדוּשָּׁה אַף רִבִּי יוֹסֵי הַגָּלִילִי מוֹדֶה.
HALAKHAH: “A female convert who converted,” etc. Is not69The interrogative here does not make much sense; the baraita text is a copy from Sifra Qedošim Parašah 9(9), where the rhetorical question is appropriate. the convert guilty for his mother70If he injures or curses his mother (Ex. 21:15,17). R. Yose the Galilean holds that a Gentile cannot claim relationship with his children, whether the mother is Gentile or Jewish. but not for his father following Rebbi Yose the Galilean? Rebbi Aqiba says, “his father and mother he cursed.71Lev. 20:9: “Any man who would curse his father and (or) his mother shall certainly die; his father and (or) mother he cursed, his blood is on him.” R. Aqiba infers from “curse his father”, “his mother he cursed”, that the rules for father and mother must be identical.” Anybody potentially guilty for his mother is potentially guilty for his father but nobody who cannot be guilty for his mother can be guilty for his father72In fact, the argument goes the other way, anybody who cannot be guilty for his father cannot be guilty for his mother. Therefore, the child who converted with his mother cannot be prosecuted for injuring or cursing his mother.. Rebbi Aqiba agrees that the “silenced73A person of unknown paternity, who is silenced by his mother should he adress any man as his father. If his father were known, he would be a normal Jew.” one is potentially guilty for his mother but not for his father. Rebbi Jacob bar Aḥa, Rebbi Yasa in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan: Where do they74R. Yose the Galilean and R. Aqiba. disagree? About a convert not conceived in holiness but born in holiness. But about a convert conceived and born in holiness even Rebbi Yose the Galilean agrees75There is not much to disagree since the child is born as full Jew (even though he is called a proselyte after his father, Mishna Qiddušin 3:12)...
HALAKHAH: “A female convert who converted,” etc. Is not69The interrogative here does not make much sense; the baraita text is a copy from Sifra Qedošim Parašah 9(9), where the rhetorical question is appropriate. the convert guilty for his mother70If he injures or curses his mother (Ex. 21:15,17). R. Yose the Galilean holds that a Gentile cannot claim relationship with his children, whether the mother is Gentile or Jewish. but not for his father following Rebbi Yose the Galilean? Rebbi Aqiba says, “his father and mother he cursed.71Lev. 20:9: “Any man who would curse his father and (or) his mother shall certainly die; his father and (or) mother he cursed, his blood is on him.” R. Aqiba infers from “curse his father”, “his mother he cursed”, that the rules for father and mother must be identical.” Anybody potentially guilty for his mother is potentially guilty for his father but nobody who cannot be guilty for his mother can be guilty for his father72In fact, the argument goes the other way, anybody who cannot be guilty for his father cannot be guilty for his mother. Therefore, the child who converted with his mother cannot be prosecuted for injuring or cursing his mother.. Rebbi Aqiba agrees that the “silenced73A person of unknown paternity, who is silenced by his mother should he adress any man as his father. If his father were known, he would be a normal Jew.” one is potentially guilty for his mother but not for his father. Rebbi Jacob bar Aḥa, Rebbi Yasa in the name of Rebbi Joḥanan: Where do they74R. Yose the Galilean and R. Aqiba. disagree? About a convert not conceived in holiness but born in holiness. But about a convert conceived and born in holiness even Rebbi Yose the Galilean agrees75There is not much to disagree since the child is born as full Jew (even though he is called a proselyte after his father, Mishna Qiddušin 3:12)...
רִבִּי יָסָא אֲזַל לְחָמץ. אַתּוֹן וּשְׁאָלוֹן לֵיהּ. אִילֵּין דְּבַר עַשְׁתֵּין. גֵּירִין מַהוּ שֶׁיִּיבְּמוּ. אָמַר לוֹן. כֵּן אָמַר רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן. אָסוּר. הֲווֹן בְּעָיָין מֵימַר. בְּאִשָּׁה שֶׁיֵּשׁ לָהּ בָּנִים. אֲבָל בְּאִשָּׁה שֶׁאֵין לָהּ בָּנִים. מַה נַפְשֵׁךְ. אֵשֶׁת אָחִיו יִיבֵּם. וְאִם אֵינָהּ אֵשֶׁת אָחִיו יְהֵא כְנוֹשֵׂא אִשָּׁה מִן הַשּׁוּק. אָתָא רִבִּי יַעֲקֹב בַּר אָחָא בְשֵׁם רִבִּי יִצְחָק בַּר נַחְמָן. אֲפִילוּ כֵן אָסוּר. שֶׁלֹּא יְהוּ אוֹמְרִין. מִצְוַת יִיבּוּם רָאִינוּ בְגֵירִים. בַּמֶּה דְבָרִים אֲמוּרִים. בִּזְמָן שֶׁהִכִּירָהּ מִשֶּׁנִּתְגַּיֵיר. אֲבָל אִם לֹא הִכִּירָהּ מִשֶּׁנִּתְגַּיֵיר כָּל עַמָּא מוֹדֵיי שֶׁהוּא כְנוֹשֵׂא אִשָּׁה מִן הַשּׁוּק.
Rebbi Yasa went to Ḥomṣ76The city in Syria.. People came and asked him about the family of Ashtin77In Demai Chapter 6 they are called Astor. who were converts, might they marry in levirate? He said to them, so says Rebbi Joḥanan: It is prohibited. They wanted to say, if a woman has children78The widow had children but all of them were born while she was a Gentile.. But if the woman has no children, what can you say? He married his brother’s wife in levirate. If she is not his brother’s wife79If converts born as Gentile brothers are not legally brothers after conversion, the wife of one cannot be forbidden to the other., should he not be considered as marrying a wife from outside? Rebbi Jacob bar Aḥa came in the name of Rebbi Isaac bar Naḥman: Even so it is forbidden, that people should not say, we saw the commandment of levirate among converts. When has this been said? When he lived with her after he converted80By the first intercourse after conversion, which certainly was executed as an act between husband and wife, the Gentile marriage became valid in Jewish law.. But if he did not live with her after he converted, everybody agrees that it is as if he81The surviving brother may marry the woman who never was Jewishly married to his brother even if the relationship of brotherhood remained in effect after conversion. married a woman from outside.
Rebbi Yasa went to Ḥomṣ76The city in Syria.. People came and asked him about the family of Ashtin77In Demai Chapter 6 they are called Astor. who were converts, might they marry in levirate? He said to them, so says Rebbi Joḥanan: It is prohibited. They wanted to say, if a woman has children78The widow had children but all of them were born while she was a Gentile.. But if the woman has no children, what can you say? He married his brother’s wife in levirate. If she is not his brother’s wife79If converts born as Gentile brothers are not legally brothers after conversion, the wife of one cannot be forbidden to the other., should he not be considered as marrying a wife from outside? Rebbi Jacob bar Aḥa came in the name of Rebbi Isaac bar Naḥman: Even so it is forbidden, that people should not say, we saw the commandment of levirate among converts. When has this been said? When he lived with her after he converted80By the first intercourse after conversion, which certainly was executed as an act between husband and wife, the Gentile marriage became valid in Jewish law.. But if he did not live with her after he converted, everybody agrees that it is as if he81The surviving brother may marry the woman who never was Jewishly married to his brother even if the relationship of brotherhood remained in effect after conversion. married a woman from outside.
גֵּר שֶׁנִּתְגַּיֵיר וְהָיָה נָשׂוּי אִשָּׁה וּבִתָּהּ אוֹ אִשָּׁה וַאֲחוֹתָהּ כּוֹנֵס אַחַת וּמוֹצִיא אַחַת. בַּמֶּה דְבָרִים אֲמוּרִים. שֶׁלֹּא הִכִּיר אַחַת מֵהֶן מִשְּׁנִּתְגַּיֵיר. אֲבָל הִכִּיר אַחַת מֵהֶן מִשֶּׁנִּתְגַּיֵיר אוֹתָהּ שֶׁהִכִּיר אִשְׁתּוֹ. וְאִם הִכִּיר אֶת שְׁתֵּיהֶן כִּיוָן שֶׁהִכִּיר הִכִּיר.
A convert who converted while married to a woman and her daughter, or a woman and her sister, marries one and separates from the other82He marries one in Jewish law and separates from the other or divorces her in Gentile law.. When has this been said? If he did not live with either of them. But if he lived with one of them after he converted, the one he lived with is his wife. If he lived with both of them, since he lived with them, he lived with them83Since family relationships are dissolved by conversion, the two co-wives are not related in biblical law and, therefore, not prohibited in biblical law. The Babli, 98b, disagrees and holds that if he comes to ask, one tells him to separate from both of them. If he married one of them, he may keep her. It seems from this that the Babli would not tolerate a man to live with two wives who before conversion were mother and daughter or sisters..
A convert who converted while married to a woman and her daughter, or a woman and her sister, marries one and separates from the other82He marries one in Jewish law and separates from the other or divorces her in Gentile law.. When has this been said? If he did not live with either of them. But if he lived with one of them after he converted, the one he lived with is his wife. If he lived with both of them, since he lived with them, he lived with them83Since family relationships are dissolved by conversion, the two co-wives are not related in biblical law and, therefore, not prohibited in biblical law. The Babli, 98b, disagrees and holds that if he comes to ask, one tells him to separate from both of them. If he married one of them, he may keep her. It seems from this that the Babli would not tolerate a man to live with two wives who before conversion were mother and daughter or sisters..
גֵּר אֲחוֹתוֹ בֵּין מֵאָב בֵּין מֵאֵם יוֹצִיא. דִּבְרֵי רִבִּי מֵאִיר. רִבִּי יוּדָה אוֹמֵר. אֲחוֹתוֹ מֵאֵם יוֹצִיא מֵאָב יְקַיֵים. אֲחוֹת אִמּוֹ יוֹצִיא אֲחוֹת אָבִיו יְקַיֵים. דִּבְרֵי רִבִּי מֵאִיר. רבִּי יוּדָה אוֹמֵר. אֲחוֹת אִמּוֹ מֵאִמָּהּ יוֹצִיא אֲחוֹת אִמּוֹ מֵאָבִיהָ יְקַיֵים. שְׁאָר כַּל הָעֲרָיוֹת כָּנַס אֵין מוֹצִיאִין מִיָּדוֹ. לֹא אָמַר אֶלָּא כָּנַס. הָא כַתְּחִילָּה אָסוּר.
A convert has to separate from his sister, whether paternal or maternal, the words of Rebbi Meïr. Rebbi Jehudah says, he must separate from his maternal halfsister; a paternal halfsister he may keep. He must separate from his mother’s sister but may keep his father’s sister, the words of Rebbi Meïr. Rebbi Jehudah says, he must separate from his mother’s maternal halfsister but may keep his mother’s paternal halfsister84If he was married to any one of them at the moment of his conversion. In the Babli, 98b, R. Meïr is quoted as he is here, but instead of R. Jehudah, the anonymous Sages are quoted as permitting all sisters and aunts. In Gen. Rabba 18(7), the baraita is quoted as it is here, only that instead of R. Jehudah one has the anonymous Sages.. If he married any other incest prohibited woman, he may keep her. It was only said, “if he married”. Therefore, not from the start85If he comes to ask, one does not permit the marriage. In the Babli, all women who are not blood relatives are unconditionally permitted..
A convert has to separate from his sister, whether paternal or maternal, the words of Rebbi Meïr. Rebbi Jehudah says, he must separate from his maternal halfsister; a paternal halfsister he may keep. He must separate from his mother’s sister but may keep his father’s sister, the words of Rebbi Meïr. Rebbi Jehudah says, he must separate from his mother’s maternal halfsister but may keep his mother’s paternal halfsister84If he was married to any one of them at the moment of his conversion. In the Babli, 98b, R. Meïr is quoted as he is here, but instead of R. Jehudah, the anonymous Sages are quoted as permitting all sisters and aunts. In Gen. Rabba 18(7), the baraita is quoted as it is here, only that instead of R. Jehudah one has the anonymous Sages.. If he married any other incest prohibited woman, he may keep her. It was only said, “if he married”. Therefore, not from the start85If he comes to ask, one does not permit the marriage. In the Babli, all women who are not blood relatives are unconditionally permitted..
גּוֹי אֲחוֹתוֹ בֵּין מֵאָב בֵּין מֵאֵם יוֹצִיא. דִּבְרֵי רִבִּי מֵאִיר. רִבִּי יוּדָה אוֹמֵר. אֲחוֹתוֹ מֵאֵם יוֹצִיא אֲחוֹתוֹ מֵאָב יְקַיֵים. אֲחוֹת אִמּוֹ יוֹצִיא אֲחוֹת אָבִיו יְקַיֵים. דִּבְרֵי רִבִּי מֵאִיר. רִבִּי יוּדָה אוֹמֵר. אֲחוֹת אִמּוֹ מֵאִמָּהּ יוֹצִיא אֲחוֹת אִמּוֹ מֵאָבִיהָ יְקַיֵים. אָמַר רַב חָנִין. פָּשַׁט הוּא לֹן עַל דִּבְרֵי רִבִּי מֵאִיר. עַל כֵּן יַעֲזוֹב אִישׁ אֶת אָבִיו וְאֶת אִמּוֹ. בְּסָמוֹךְ לוֹ מֵאָבִיו בְּסָמוֹךְ לוֹ מְאִמּוֹ. רִבִּי בִּיבִי בְּעָא. מֵעַתָּה אֲחוֹת אָבִיו אֲסוּרָה שֶׁהִיא סְמוּכָה לְאָבִיו. אֲחוֹת אִמּוֹ תְּהֵא אֲסוּרָה מִפְּנֵי שֶׁהִיא סְמוּכָה לְאִמּוֹ. הָתִיב רִבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בְּרֵיהּ דְּרִבִּי אַיְיבוֹ. וְהָכְתִיב וַיִּקַּח עַמְרָם אֶת יוֹכֶבֶד דּוֹדָתוֹ לוֹ לְאִשָּׁה. מֵעַתָּה אֲפִילוּ כִבְנֵי נֹחַ לֹא הָיוּ יִשְׂרָאֵל נוֹהֲגִין. אָמַר רִבִּי הִילָא. בְּסָמוֹךְ לוֹ מֵאָבִיו בְּסָמוֹךְ לוֹ מְאִמּוֹ. מֵתִיבִין לְרִבִּי מֵאִיר. וְהָכְתִיב וְגַם אָמְנָה אֲחוֹתִי בַת אָבִי הִיא אַךְ לֹא בַת אִמִּי. אָמַר לָהֶן רִבִּי מֵאִיר. מִשָּׁם רְאָיָיה. לֹא וַתְּהִי לִי לְאִשָּׁה.
A Gentile has to separate from his sister, whether paternal or maternal, the words of Rebbi Meïr. Rebbi Jehudah says, he must separate from his maternal halfsister; a paternal halfsister he may keep. He must separate from his mother’s sister but may keep his father’s sister, the words of Rebbi Meïr. Rebbi Jehudah says, he must separate from his mother’s maternal halfsister but may keep his mother’s paternal halfsister86The rules for Gentiles living under Jewish law are identical to those valid for converts; in the Babli they are given in Sanhedrin 58a, identical to the rules given for converts in Yebamot98b.. Rav Ḥanin said, he87This must be Rav, Rav Ḥanin’s teacher and father-in-law. explained us the words of Rebbi Meïr simply: “Therefore, a man has to abandon his father and his mother88Gen. 2:24. The common interpretation of the verse as basis of a “natural law” of incest prohibitions is in the sources [Babli Sanhedrin 58a, Gen. rabba 18(8)]: “Therefore, a man leaves his father (the father’s wife who might not be his mother) and his mother and clings to his wife (marriage is effected by intercourse, but after the first intercourse of a woman all sex acts with other people are adulterous since there is no divorce; male homosexual activity is also forbidden) and they will be one flesh (only vaginal intercourse is counted as such).” All other incest prohibitions of Lev. are for Jews only. (A minority opinion, that of R. Eliezer in the Babli, identifies the “father” as the father’s sisters.).” What is close to him from his father’s side, what is close to him from his mother’s side. Rebbi Vivian asked: Then his father’s sister should be forbidden because she is close to his father! His mother’s sister should be forbidden because she is close to his mother89This shows that the opinion of R. Eliezer, quoted in the Babli (see the preceding note) was unknown to the editors of the Yerushalmi.! Rebbi Simeon, the son of Rebbi Ayvo objected: “Amram took his aunt Yokhebed as wife90Ex. 6:20. According to the rules promulgated by him, Moses was a bastard. This proves (a) that the incest prohibitions of Lev. 18 are introduced because of the holiness of the Land or as prohibition of idolatrous practices and (b) the paternal aunt is permitted to a Gentile..” Does that mean that the Israelites did not even behave as descendants of Noah? Rebbi Hila said, what is close to him from his father’s side, what is close to him from his mother’s side91Only the father’s wives and the mother.. They objected to Rebbi Meïr: “And truly she is my sister, my father’s daughter, but not my mother’s.92Gen. 20:12. According to Philo (Special Laws III, 22–25), the practice of marrying halfsisters was recognized in Greece and that of marrying full sisters in Egypt.” He said to them: Is a proof from there? Not “she became my wife”93I am at a loss to understand the argument. The expedient chosen by the talmudic sources, that Sarah was not Abraham’s sister but his niece, should be excluded out of respect for the biblical text (Cf. Chapter 10, Note 210). This cannot be a general Jewish tradition since Sadducee (Karaite) traditions prohibit the niece to the uncle because the text prohibits the nephew to the aunt.?
A Gentile has to separate from his sister, whether paternal or maternal, the words of Rebbi Meïr. Rebbi Jehudah says, he must separate from his maternal halfsister; a paternal halfsister he may keep. He must separate from his mother’s sister but may keep his father’s sister, the words of Rebbi Meïr. Rebbi Jehudah says, he must separate from his mother’s maternal halfsister but may keep his mother’s paternal halfsister86The rules for Gentiles living under Jewish law are identical to those valid for converts; in the Babli they are given in Sanhedrin 58a, identical to the rules given for converts in Yebamot98b.. Rav Ḥanin said, he87This must be Rav, Rav Ḥanin’s teacher and father-in-law. explained us the words of Rebbi Meïr simply: “Therefore, a man has to abandon his father and his mother88Gen. 2:24. The common interpretation of the verse as basis of a “natural law” of incest prohibitions is in the sources [Babli Sanhedrin 58a, Gen. rabba 18(8)]: “Therefore, a man leaves his father (the father’s wife who might not be his mother) and his mother and clings to his wife (marriage is effected by intercourse, but after the first intercourse of a woman all sex acts with other people are adulterous since there is no divorce; male homosexual activity is also forbidden) and they will be one flesh (only vaginal intercourse is counted as such).” All other incest prohibitions of Lev. are for Jews only. (A minority opinion, that of R. Eliezer in the Babli, identifies the “father” as the father’s sisters.).” What is close to him from his father’s side, what is close to him from his mother’s side. Rebbi Vivian asked: Then his father’s sister should be forbidden because she is close to his father! His mother’s sister should be forbidden because she is close to his mother89This shows that the opinion of R. Eliezer, quoted in the Babli (see the preceding note) was unknown to the editors of the Yerushalmi.! Rebbi Simeon, the son of Rebbi Ayvo objected: “Amram took his aunt Yokhebed as wife90Ex. 6:20. According to the rules promulgated by him, Moses was a bastard. This proves (a) that the incest prohibitions of Lev. 18 are introduced because of the holiness of the Land or as prohibition of idolatrous practices and (b) the paternal aunt is permitted to a Gentile..” Does that mean that the Israelites did not even behave as descendants of Noah? Rebbi Hila said, what is close to him from his father’s side, what is close to him from his mother’s side91Only the father’s wives and the mother.. They objected to Rebbi Meïr: “And truly she is my sister, my father’s daughter, but not my mother’s.92Gen. 20:12. According to Philo (Special Laws III, 22–25), the practice of marrying halfsisters was recognized in Greece and that of marrying full sisters in Egypt.” He said to them: Is a proof from there? Not “she became my wife”93I am at a loss to understand the argument. The expedient chosen by the talmudic sources, that Sarah was not Abraham’s sister but his niece, should be excluded out of respect for the biblical text (Cf. Chapter 10, Note 210). This cannot be a general Jewish tradition since Sadducee (Karaite) traditions prohibit the niece to the uncle because the text prohibits the nephew to the aunt.?
מַאי כְדוֹן. אָמַר רִבִּי יוֹסֵה. כָּל עֶרְוָה שֶׁבֵּית דִּין שֶׁלְּיִשְׂרָאֵל מֵמִיתִין עָלֶיהָ בְּנֵי נֹחַ מוּזְהָרִין עָלֶיהָ. וְכָל עֶרְוָה שֶׁאֵין בֵּית דִּין מֵמִיתִין עָלֶיהָ אֵין בְּנֵי נֹחַ מוּזְהָרִין עָלֶיהָ. הָתִיבוּן. הֲרֵי אֲחוֹתוֹ הֲרֵי בֶית דִּין שֶׁלְּיִשְׂרָאֵל מֵמִיתִין עָלֶיהָ וְאֵין בְּנֵי נֹחַ מוּזְהָרִין עָלֶיהָ. רִבִּי הִילָא בְשֵׁם רִבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן לָקִישׁ. וּבִגְלַל הַתּוֹעֵבוֹת הָאֵלֶּה יי אֱלֹהֶיךָ מוֹרִישׁ אוֹתָם מִפָּנֶיךְ. מְלַמֵּד שֶׁאֵין הַקָּדוֹשּׁ בָּרוּךְ הוּא עוֹנֵשׁ אֶלָּא אִם כֵּן הִזְהִיר.
What about it94What is the practice about prohibited Gentile marriages.? Rebbi Yose said, about any incest prohibition which for a Jewish court is a capital crime, a descendant of Noah95Any Gentile. is forewarned; and about any incest prohibition which for a court is not a capital crime, a descendant of Noah is not forewarned96This is characterized as R. Meïr’s minority opinion in the Babli, Sanhedrin 57b.. They objected: Is not a case involving the sister a capital crime for a Jewish court and the descendants of Noah are not forewarned97The example is exceedingly bad since incest with one’s sister is punished by Heaven with extirpation (Lev. 20:17) but is not a capital crime on Earth. Maybe the reference should be to a man married to a woman and her daughter; cf. Note 82.? Rebbi Hila in the name of Rebbi Simeon ben Laqish: “Because of these abominations, the Eternal, your God, uproots them before you.98Deut. 18:12, speaking of idolatry.” This teaches that the Holy One, praise to Him, does not punish if He did not warn99The prohibition of idolatry is universal, valid for all descendants of Noah (Babli Sanhedrin 57b). Therefore, Gentiles can be punished for idolatrous practices since they have been warned about them. R. Hila seems to agree that the incest prohibitions which exceed the bare minimum are directed against idolatrous practices..
What about it94What is the practice about prohibited Gentile marriages.? Rebbi Yose said, about any incest prohibition which for a Jewish court is a capital crime, a descendant of Noah95Any Gentile. is forewarned; and about any incest prohibition which for a court is not a capital crime, a descendant of Noah is not forewarned96This is characterized as R. Meïr’s minority opinion in the Babli, Sanhedrin 57b.. They objected: Is not a case involving the sister a capital crime for a Jewish court and the descendants of Noah are not forewarned97The example is exceedingly bad since incest with one’s sister is punished by Heaven with extirpation (Lev. 20:17) but is not a capital crime on Earth. Maybe the reference should be to a man married to a woman and her daughter; cf. Note 82.? Rebbi Hila in the name of Rebbi Simeon ben Laqish: “Because of these abominations, the Eternal, your God, uproots them before you.98Deut. 18:12, speaking of idolatry.” This teaches that the Holy One, praise to Him, does not punish if He did not warn99The prohibition of idolatry is universal, valid for all descendants of Noah (Babli Sanhedrin 57b). Therefore, Gentiles can be punished for idolatrous practices since they have been warned about them. R. Hila seems to agree that the incest prohibitions which exceed the bare minimum are directed against idolatrous practices..
רִבִּי אִידִי אָמַר קוֹמֵי רִבִּי יוֹסֵי בְשֵׁם רַב חִסְדָא. עֶבֶד מוּתָּר בָּאֲחוֹתוֹ. אָמַר לֵיהּ. שָׁמַעְתָּ אֲפִילוּ מֵאֵם. אָמַר לֵיהּ. אִין. אָמַר לֵיהּ. וְהָתַנִּינָן וְכֵן שִׁפְחָה שֶׁנִּשְׁתַּחְרְרוּ בָנֶיהָ עִמָּהּ. לַחֲלִיצָה וּלְיִיבּוּם. רִבִּי פִינְחָס אָמַר קוֹמֵי רִבִּי יוֹסֵי בְשֵׁם רִבִּי יוֹסֵי. עֶבֶד שֶׁבָּא עַל אִמֹּה חַיָיב חַטָּאת. וְאָמַרְתָּ אֲלֵהֶם לְרַבּוֹת עֲבָדִים. אוֹ נֹאמַר. לַחֲלָבִין אִיתְאֲמָרַת. מַה מָצִינוּ בְּזִיקַּת אֵם שֶׁעָשָׂה בָהּ צַד שֶׁנִּתְגַּיְירָה בְּצַד שֶׁלֹּא נִתְגַּיְירָה. אַף שִׁפְחָה נַעֲשֶׂה בָּהּ צַד שֶׁנִּשְׁתַּחְרְרָה בְּצַד שֶׁלּא נִשְׁתַּחְרְרָה.
Rebbi Idi said before Rebbi Yose, a slave is permitted his sister100As the Babli explains (Sanhedrin 58b), he is no longer a Gentile but not yet a responsible Jew. He cannot be punished in either law and he cannot legally marry.. He said to him, did you hear this even if she is from the same mother? He said, yes. He said to him, but did we not state: “The same applies to a slave girl who was freed together with her sons.” For ḥalîṣah and levirate101But not for criminal matters. The convert changed from one set of laws to another; the libertine enters a set of laws that previously were not applicable to her.. Rebbi Phineas said before Rebbi Yose in the name of Rebbi Yasa: A slave who slept with his mother is obligated for a purification sacrifice. “You shall command them102Lev. 1:2. After the introduction: “Speak to the Children of Israel”, the addition “you shall command them” seems superfluous unless it includes people whose inclusion among the Children of Israel is doubtful.,” including slaves103Since in theory anything a slaves owns belongs to his master, any obligation of sacrifice would have to be deferred until after the slave’s manumission.. Or should we say, this was said about fat104While a slave is obligated to obey all prohibitions in the Torah, it may be that in matters of sexual relations his status is different. (Since slaves cannot marry, as a matter of principle promiscuity is permitted to them; cf. Terumot Chapter 8, Note 247.)? Do we find in his relation to his mother that her converted aspect accompanies the unconverted aspect just as with a slave girl her converted aspect accompanies the unconverted aspect105A betrothed girl is a wife for criminal law; adultery with her is a capital crime (Deut. 22:23–24). By contrast, adultery with a half-freed slave girl engaged to be married to a free man (in expectation of her full emancipation; she did belong to two masters one of whom manumitted his share) can be expiated by a reparation offering (Lev. 19:20–22; Sifra Qedošim Pereq 5). This shows that her semi-free status interferes with the operation of criminal law for free persons. In analogy, we could conjecture that the status of a slave as incompletely converted (since he is not obligated to observe most positive commandments) interferes with the operation of the laws of obligatory sacrifices.
The problem is not resolved, probably because it is not realistic.?
Rebbi Idi said before Rebbi Yose, a slave is permitted his sister100As the Babli explains (Sanhedrin 58b), he is no longer a Gentile but not yet a responsible Jew. He cannot be punished in either law and he cannot legally marry.. He said to him, did you hear this even if she is from the same mother? He said, yes. He said to him, but did we not state: “The same applies to a slave girl who was freed together with her sons.” For ḥalîṣah and levirate101But not for criminal matters. The convert changed from one set of laws to another; the libertine enters a set of laws that previously were not applicable to her.. Rebbi Phineas said before Rebbi Yose in the name of Rebbi Yasa: A slave who slept with his mother is obligated for a purification sacrifice. “You shall command them102Lev. 1:2. After the introduction: “Speak to the Children of Israel”, the addition “you shall command them” seems superfluous unless it includes people whose inclusion among the Children of Israel is doubtful.,” including slaves103Since in theory anything a slaves owns belongs to his master, any obligation of sacrifice would have to be deferred until after the slave’s manumission.. Or should we say, this was said about fat104While a slave is obligated to obey all prohibitions in the Torah, it may be that in matters of sexual relations his status is different. (Since slaves cannot marry, as a matter of principle promiscuity is permitted to them; cf. Terumot Chapter 8, Note 247.)? Do we find in his relation to his mother that her converted aspect accompanies the unconverted aspect just as with a slave girl her converted aspect accompanies the unconverted aspect105A betrothed girl is a wife for criminal law; adultery with her is a capital crime (Deut. 22:23–24). By contrast, adultery with a half-freed slave girl engaged to be married to a free man (in expectation of her full emancipation; she did belong to two masters one of whom manumitted his share) can be expiated by a reparation offering (Lev. 19:20–22; Sifra Qedošim Pereq 5). This shows that her semi-free status interferes with the operation of criminal law for free persons. In analogy, we could conjecture that the status of a slave as incompletely converted (since he is not obligated to observe most positive commandments) interferes with the operation of the laws of obligatory sacrifices.
The problem is not resolved, probably because it is not realistic.?