Talmud Yerushalmi
Yerushalmi Yevamot 15:3 ירושלמי יבמות ט״ו:ג׳
Part of: Chapter 15
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משנה: בֵּית שַׁמַּי אוֹמְרִים תִּינָּשֵׂא וְתִיטּוֹל כְּתוּבָתָהּ. וּבֵית הִלֵּל אוֹמְרִים תִּינָּשֵׂא וְלֹא תִיטּוֹל כְּתוּבָתָהּ. אָמְרוּ לָהֶן בֵּית שַׁמַּי הִיתַּרְתֶּם אֶת עֶרְוָה הַחֲמוּרָה וְלֹא תַתִּירוּ אֶת הַמָּמוֹן הַקַּל. אָמרוּ לָהֶן בֵּית הִלֵּל מָצִינוּ שֶׁאֵין הָאַחִין נַכְנָסִין לַנַּחֲלָה עַל פִּיהָ. אָמְרוּ לָהֶן בֵּית שַׁמַּי וַהֲלֹא מִסֵּפֶר כְּתוּבָתָהּ נִלְמוֹד שֶׁהוּא כוֹתֵב לָהּ שֶׁאִם תִּינָּשְׂאִי לְאַחֵר תִּיטְּלִי מַה שֶׁכָּתוּב לִיךְ. חָזְרוּ בֵית הִלֵּל לְהוֹרוֹת כְּבֵית שַׁמַּי.
MISHNAH: The House of Shammai say, she should remarry and collect her ketubah29Since the husband is declared dead, she collects the widow’s portion.. The House of Hillel say, she should remarry but not collect her ketubah. The House of Shammai said to them, you permitted the stringent incest prohibition30Adultery, which is considered incest. If the husband were alive, her second marriage would be adulterous., should you not permit the lenient money matters? The House of Hillel said to them, we find that the brothers cannot access the inheritance on her testimony31Nowhere do we find that the requirement of proof either by two witnesses or by certified document is abrogated in money matters. The leniency of informal proof applies only to the case of a woman who otherwise would have to stay unmarried for the rest of her life.. The House of Shammai said, we can infer that from the text of her ketubah document in which he writes32I. e., he is required by rabbinical decree to write this sentence in her marriage document; if the sentence is missing it nevertheless is implied and enforced by the court; cf. Ketubot Chapter 4.: “If you would be married to another man you shall take the amount I wrote for you.” The House of Hillel reversed themselves and taught following the House of Shammai.
MISHNAH: The House of Shammai say, she should remarry and collect her ketubah29Since the husband is declared dead, she collects the widow’s portion.. The House of Hillel say, she should remarry but not collect her ketubah. The House of Shammai said to them, you permitted the stringent incest prohibition30Adultery, which is considered incest. If the husband were alive, her second marriage would be adulterous., should you not permit the lenient money matters? The House of Hillel said to them, we find that the brothers cannot access the inheritance on her testimony31Nowhere do we find that the requirement of proof either by two witnesses or by certified document is abrogated in money matters. The leniency of informal proof applies only to the case of a woman who otherwise would have to stay unmarried for the rest of her life.. The House of Shammai said, we can infer that from the text of her ketubah document in which he writes32I. e., he is required by rabbinical decree to write this sentence in her marriage document; if the sentence is missing it nevertheless is implied and enforced by the court; cf. Ketubot Chapter 4.: “If you would be married to another man you shall take the amount I wrote for you.” The House of Hillel reversed themselves and taught following the House of Shammai.
הלכה: בֵּית שַׁמַּי אוֹמְרִים תִּינָּשֵׂא כול׳. בָּנוֹת מַהוּ שֶּׁיִּיכָּנְסוּ לִמְזוֹנוֹת עַל פִּיהָ.
HALAKHAH: “The House of Shammai say, she should remarry,” etc. May the daughters claim upkeep based on her word33As will be explained later in the Halakhah, the standard text of the ketubah requires that “the sons will inherit and the daughters will be supported”. Since her testimony activates the ketubah, the daughters should be able to claim support (and a dowry in case they marry). But since the claim of the daughters is made dependent on that of the sons, and the sons cannot claim the inheritance on basis of her testimony, the daughters should be unable to claim support. The question is not answered (which in praxi means that the daughters cannot collect.) The problem is not treated in the Babli.?
HALAKHAH: “The House of Shammai say, she should remarry,” etc. May the daughters claim upkeep based on her word33As will be explained later in the Halakhah, the standard text of the ketubah requires that “the sons will inherit and the daughters will be supported”. Since her testimony activates the ketubah, the daughters should be able to claim support (and a dowry in case they marry). But since the claim of the daughters is made dependent on that of the sons, and the sons cannot claim the inheritance on basis of her testimony, the daughters should be unable to claim support. The question is not answered (which in praxi means that the daughters cannot collect.) The problem is not treated in the Babli.?
בֵּית שַׁמַּי עָבְדִין כְּתוּבָּה מִדְרָשׁ. דְּבֵית שַׁמַּי דָרְשִׁין מִסֵּפֶר כְּתוּבָתָהּ נִלְמוֹד. שֶׁהוּא כוֹתֵב לָהּ. שֶׁאִם תִּינָּשְׂאִי לְאַחֵר תִּיטְּלִי מַה שֶׁכָּתוּב לִיך. חָזְרוּ בֵית הִלֵּל לְהוֹרוֹת כְּדִבְרֵי בֵית שַׁמַּי. בֵּית הִלֵּל עָבְדִין כְּתוּבָּה מִדְרָשׁ. דָּרַשׁ הִלֵּל הַזָּקֵן לְשׁוֹן הֶדְיוֹט. הָיוּ כוֹתְבִין בְּאַלֶכְסַנְדְּרִיאָה שֶׁהָיָה אֶחָד מֵהֶן מְקַדֵּשׁ אִשָּׁה וַחֲבֵירוֹ חוֹטְפָהּ מִן הַשּׁוּק. וּכְשֶׁבָּא מַעֲשֶׂה לִפְנֵי חֲכָמִים בִּיקְּשׁוּ לַעֲשׂוֹתָן מַמְזֵירִים. אָמַר לָהֶן הִלֵּל הַזָּקֵן. הוֹצִיאוּ כְּתוּבַת אִימּוֹתֵיהֶן. וְהוֹצִיאוּ כְּתוּבַת אִימּוֹתֵיהֶן וּמָצְאוּ כָתוּב בָּהֶן. לִכְשֶׁתִּיכָּנְסִי לְבֵיתִי תְּהַוְיָין לִי לְאִינְתּוּ כְדַת מֹשֶׁה וִיהוּדָאֵי.
The House of Shammai insist on interpretation of the ketubah. As the House of Shammai explain, we can infer that from the text of her ketubah document in which he writes32I. e., he is required by rabbinical decree to write this sentence in her marriage document; if the sentence is missing it nevertheless is implied and enforced by the court; cf. Ketubot Chapter 4.: “If you would be married to another man you shall take the amount I wrote for you.” The House of Hillel reversed themselves and taught following the House of Shammai. The House of Hillel insist on interpretation of the ketubah. 34Tosephta Ketubot 4:9; a slightly different language in Babli Baba Meṣ‘ia 104a. In a slightly different arrangement the rest of the Halakhah is also in Ketubot 4:8. Hillel the Elder explained it, using the vernacular. In Alexandria they were writing that a man there became betrothed to a woman35In contrast to the usage in Judea, they did not execute the betrothal, qiddušin, by a gift but exclusively by contract.. Another man abducted her from a public place36And immediately marry her.. When this came before the Sages, they intended to declare [the children] as bastards37Since qiddušin make the girl a married woman in all aspects of criminal law. If somebody abducts a betrothed girl he commits adultery and the children are bastards.. Hillel the Elder told them, bring your mothers’ ketubah. They brough their mothers’ ketubah. They found written there: “When you enter my house you shall be my wife according to the laws of Moses and the Jews38This language makes the validity of the betrothal dependent on the fact of marriage, of the bride entering the groom’s house. If the prospective bride was abducted before entering the groom’s house, there were no qiddušin and the girl was free to marry any man..”
The House of Shammai insist on interpretation of the ketubah. As the House of Shammai explain, we can infer that from the text of her ketubah document in which he writes32I. e., he is required by rabbinical decree to write this sentence in her marriage document; if the sentence is missing it nevertheless is implied and enforced by the court; cf. Ketubot Chapter 4.: “If you would be married to another man you shall take the amount I wrote for you.” The House of Hillel reversed themselves and taught following the House of Shammai. The House of Hillel insist on interpretation of the ketubah. 34Tosephta Ketubot 4:9; a slightly different language in Babli Baba Meṣ‘ia 104a. In a slightly different arrangement the rest of the Halakhah is also in Ketubot 4:8. Hillel the Elder explained it, using the vernacular. In Alexandria they were writing that a man there became betrothed to a woman35In contrast to the usage in Judea, they did not execute the betrothal, qiddušin, by a gift but exclusively by contract.. Another man abducted her from a public place36And immediately marry her.. When this came before the Sages, they intended to declare [the children] as bastards37Since qiddušin make the girl a married woman in all aspects of criminal law. If somebody abducts a betrothed girl he commits adultery and the children are bastards.. Hillel the Elder told them, bring your mothers’ ketubah. They brough their mothers’ ketubah. They found written there: “When you enter my house you shall be my wife according to the laws of Moses and the Jews38This language makes the validity of the betrothal dependent on the fact of marriage, of the bride entering the groom’s house. If the prospective bride was abducted before entering the groom’s house, there were no qiddušin and the girl was free to marry any man..”
רִבִּי לָעְזָר בֶּן עֲזַרְיָה עֲבַד כְּתוּבָּה מִדְרָשׁ. דָּרַשׁ רִבִּי לָעְזָר בֶּן עֲזַרְיָה הַבָּנִים יִירְשׁוּ וְהַבָּנוֹת יַזוֹנוּ. מַה הַבָּנִים אֵינָן יוֹרְשִׁין אֶלָּא לְאַחַר מִיתַת אֲבִיהֶן. אַף הַבָּנוֹת אֵינָן נִיזּוֹנוֹת אֶלָּא לְאַחַר מִיתַת אֲבִיהֶן.
Rebbi Eleazar ben Azariah insisted on interpreting the ketubah. 39MishnahKetubot 4:8. This Mishnah is rejected in Ketubot 4:8. The Babli, Ketubot 49a/b accepts the Mishnah but holds that a father who does not support his children has to be shamed in public.“Rebbi Eleazar ben Azariah explained: ‘The sons shall inherit and the daughters shall be supported.’40A condition of the ketubah, incorporated in the text by reference even if not written. Since the sons can only inherit after their father’s death, so the daughters can claim support only after their father’s death.”
Rebbi Eleazar ben Azariah insisted on interpreting the ketubah. 39MishnahKetubot 4:8. This Mishnah is rejected in Ketubot 4:8. The Babli, Ketubot 49a/b accepts the Mishnah but holds that a father who does not support his children has to be shamed in public.“Rebbi Eleazar ben Azariah explained: ‘The sons shall inherit and the daughters shall be supported.’40A condition of the ketubah, incorporated in the text by reference even if not written. Since the sons can only inherit after their father’s death, so the daughters can claim support only after their father’s death.”
רִבִּי מֵאִיר עֲבַד כְּתוּבָּה מִדְרָשׁ. דְּאָמַר רִבִּי מֵאִיר הַמְקַבֵּל שָׂדֶה מֵחֲבֵירוֹ שָׁמִין אוֹתָהּ כַּמָּה הִיא רְאוּיָה לַעֲשׂוֹת וְנוֹתְנִין לוֹ. שֶׁהוּא כוֹתֵב לוֹ. אִם אוֹבִיר וְלֹא אַעֲבִיד אֲשַׁלֵּם בְּמֵיטְבָא.
Rebbi Meїr insists on interpreting the contract text. As Rebbi Meїr said41Tosephta Ketubot 4:10. Essentially this text, but without attribution, is Mishnah Baba Meṣi‘a 9:3., if somebody accepts a field as a contractor42He either works as a sharecropper or he leases the field for a fixed sum of money. In either case the contractor is required to keep the field in good condition so that at the expiration of the contract the owner can continue working the field as before without additional expense., one estimates how much it is expected to yield and give to [the owner]. Because the standard contract reads: “If I let it lie fallow and do not work on it, I shall pay as if from the best.”
Rebbi Meїr insists on interpreting the contract text. As Rebbi Meїr said41Tosephta Ketubot 4:10. Essentially this text, but without attribution, is Mishnah Baba Meṣi‘a 9:3., if somebody accepts a field as a contractor42He either works as a sharecropper or he leases the field for a fixed sum of money. In either case the contractor is required to keep the field in good condition so that at the expiration of the contract the owner can continue working the field as before without additional expense., one estimates how much it is expected to yield and give to [the owner]. Because the standard contract reads: “If I let it lie fallow and do not work on it, I shall pay as if from the best.”
רִבִּי יוּדָה עֲבַד כְּתוּבָּה מִדְרָשׁ. תַּנֵּי בְשֵׁם רִבִּי יוּדָה. מֵבִיא הוּא אָדָם עַל יְדֵי אִשְׁתּוֹ כָּל קָרְבָּן שֶׁהִיא חַיֶיבֶת. אֲפִילוּ אָכְלָה חֵלֶב אֲפִילוּ חִילְלָה אֶת הַשַּׁבָּת. וְכֵן הָיָה רִבִּי יוּדָה אוֹמֵר. פּוֹטְרָהּ אֵינוֹ חַיָיב בָּהּ. שֶׁכֵּן הִיא כוֹתֶבֶת לוֹ. וְאוֹחְרָן דִּי אַתְיָין לָךְ מִן קַדְמַת דְּנָא.
Rebbi Jehudah insists on interpreting the contract text. 43Tosephta Ketubot 4:11; a similar text Sifra Meṣora‘ Parašah 4(16). The Babli, Baba Meṣi‘a 104a, presents a problem. The text of the editio princeps formulates the statement that he is responsible for “any other obligations that come to you from earlier times” as part of the ketubah document; this is R. Jehudah’s reason to require that the husband pay for all obligatory sacrifices due from his wife, even if the obligation predates the marriage. Rashi ad loc. changes the text to conform to the Sifra text; the changed text is that of the Munich ms. and all other Ashkenazic surviving mss. It was stated in the name of Rebbi Jehudah: A person brings for his wife any sacrifice she is obligated for44Mishnah Nega‘im 14:12. The majority hold that the husband has to pay only for his children and slaves. R. Jehudah holds that a wealthy husband has to pay for his wife’s sacrifices in the way prescribed for wealthy people even if the wife has no money of her own. But he does not have to pay for her voluntary sacrifices., even if she ate suet or desecrated the Sabbath. Also, Rebbi Jehudah says, once he divorces her, he is no longer obligated for her, for she writes to him45In the receipt she gives for full payment of her ketubah. “any other obligations that come to you from earlier times.”
Rebbi Jehudah insists on interpreting the contract text. 43Tosephta Ketubot 4:11; a similar text Sifra Meṣora‘ Parašah 4(16). The Babli, Baba Meṣi‘a 104a, presents a problem. The text of the editio princeps formulates the statement that he is responsible for “any other obligations that come to you from earlier times” as part of the ketubah document; this is R. Jehudah’s reason to require that the husband pay for all obligatory sacrifices due from his wife, even if the obligation predates the marriage. Rashi ad loc. changes the text to conform to the Sifra text; the changed text is that of the Munich ms. and all other Ashkenazic surviving mss. It was stated in the name of Rebbi Jehudah: A person brings for his wife any sacrifice she is obligated for44Mishnah Nega‘im 14:12. The majority hold that the husband has to pay only for his children and slaves. R. Jehudah holds that a wealthy husband has to pay for his wife’s sacrifices in the way prescribed for wealthy people even if the wife has no money of her own. But he does not have to pay for her voluntary sacrifices., even if she ate suet or desecrated the Sabbath. Also, Rebbi Jehudah says, once he divorces her, he is no longer obligated for her, for she writes to him45In the receipt she gives for full payment of her ketubah. “any other obligations that come to you from earlier times.”
רִבִּי יוֹסֵי עֲבַד כְּתוּבָּה מִדְרָשׁ. דָּרַשׁ רִבִּי יוֹסֵי. מָקוֹם שֶׁנָּהֲגוּ לַעֲשׂוֹת כְּתוּבָּה מִלְוֶה גּוֹבָה אֶת הַכֹּל. לִכְפּוֹל אֵינוֹ גּוֹבָה אֶלָּא מֶחֱצָה. רִבִּי לָעְזָר [הַקַּפָּר] אָמַר. אֵין אָדָם רַשַּׁאי לִיקַּח לוֹ בְּהֵמָה חַיָּה וְעוֹף אֶלָּא אִם כֵּן הִתְקִין לָהֶן מְזוֹנוֹת. רִבִּי יְהוֹשֻׁעַ בֶּן קָרְחָה עֲבַד כְּתוּבָּה מִדְרָשׁ. דְּאָמַר רִבִּי יְהוֹשֻׁעַ בֶּן קָרְחָה. הַמַּלְוֶה אֶת חֲבֵירוֹ לֹא יְמַשְׁכְּנֶנּוֹ יוֹתֵר עַל חוֹבוֹ. שֶׁהוּא כוֹתֵב לוֹ. תִּשְׁלַמְּתָהּ מִן נִיכְסַיי דִיאַתְיָין לְיָידִי דְאַקְנָה לִקְבֵּל דְּנָהּ.
Rebbi Yose insists on interpreting the contract text. Rebbi Yose explained: In a place where one treats the ketubah as a loan47If the ketubah is treated as a mortgage on the groom’s real estate from the moment it is signed and due at the dissolution of the marriage, it relegates all mortgages executed during the marriage to secondary status. Any real estate sold by the husband after he signed the ketubah is potentially subject to foreclosure by the wife if there is not enough real estate left in the husband’s possession to satisfy her claim. Therefore, care must be taken in establishing the value of the ketubah in order to protect the innocent buyer. The value of the ketubah is the sum of three parts. (1) The basic sum of 200 zuz (defined in Mishnah Peah 8:8 as an amount which disqualifies its owner from public charity), (2) the voluntary amount added by the groom to that sum, and (3) the value of the dowry. It is stated here that the value of the dowry may be collected by foreclosure only if its value is correctly stated in the ketubah document. In places where the value of the dowry is routinely doubled, the document cannot be used against third parties for more than half the stated value.
A parallel text in Babli Baba Meṣi‘a 104b and in Tosephta Ketubot 4:13; in the latter text (all sources) in the name of R. Yose the Galilean., she collects the entire amount. Where one doubles, she collects only half the amount. Rebbi Eleazar [the caper grower] said, nobody is permitted to buy domesticated or wild animals or birds unless he has food prepared for them48In Ketubot, this is also declared to be the interpretation of a document but the document is not indicated.. Rebbi Joshua ben Qorḥa insists on interpreting the contract text, since Rebbi Joshua ben Qorḥa said, a person lending money to another person should not take pledges from him for more than the value of the loan since he writes for him: “It will be paid by the property that came to my hand that I shall acquire corresponding to this [sum].”49In Ketubot, the text is slightly different: “He who takes a pledge from his debtor shall take it only in court; he may not enter the debtor’s house to take the pledge.” The parallels in Babli Baba Meṣi‘a 104a and Tosephta Ketubot 4:12 follow the text given here. The text in Ketubot seems to require that the value of the pledge should be determined by an official of the court. The second clause in that text is a biblical verse (Deut. 24:10).
Rebbi Yose insists on interpreting the contract text. Rebbi Yose explained: In a place where one treats the ketubah as a loan47If the ketubah is treated as a mortgage on the groom’s real estate from the moment it is signed and due at the dissolution of the marriage, it relegates all mortgages executed during the marriage to secondary status. Any real estate sold by the husband after he signed the ketubah is potentially subject to foreclosure by the wife if there is not enough real estate left in the husband’s possession to satisfy her claim. Therefore, care must be taken in establishing the value of the ketubah in order to protect the innocent buyer. The value of the ketubah is the sum of three parts. (1) The basic sum of 200 zuz (defined in Mishnah Peah 8:8 as an amount which disqualifies its owner from public charity), (2) the voluntary amount added by the groom to that sum, and (3) the value of the dowry. It is stated here that the value of the dowry may be collected by foreclosure only if its value is correctly stated in the ketubah document. In places where the value of the dowry is routinely doubled, the document cannot be used against third parties for more than half the stated value.
A parallel text in Babli Baba Meṣi‘a 104b and in Tosephta Ketubot 4:13; in the latter text (all sources) in the name of R. Yose the Galilean., she collects the entire amount. Where one doubles, she collects only half the amount. Rebbi Eleazar [the caper grower] said, nobody is permitted to buy domesticated or wild animals or birds unless he has food prepared for them48In Ketubot, this is also declared to be the interpretation of a document but the document is not indicated.. Rebbi Joshua ben Qorḥa insists on interpreting the contract text, since Rebbi Joshua ben Qorḥa said, a person lending money to another person should not take pledges from him for more than the value of the loan since he writes for him: “It will be paid by the property that came to my hand that I shall acquire corresponding to this [sum].”49In Ketubot, the text is slightly different: “He who takes a pledge from his debtor shall take it only in court; he may not enter the debtor’s house to take the pledge.” The parallels in Babli Baba Meṣi‘a 104a and Tosephta Ketubot 4:12 follow the text given here. The text in Ketubot seems to require that the value of the pledge should be determined by an official of the court. The second clause in that text is a biblical verse (Deut. 24:10).
רַב חוּנָה עֲבַד כְּתוּבָּה מִדְרָשׁ. דָּרַשּׁ רַב חוּנָה. הַבָּנִים יִירְשׁוּ וְהַבָּנוֹת יִיזוֹנוּ. מַה הַבָּנִים יוֹרְשִׁין מִן הַמְטַלְטְלִין אַף הַבָּנוֹת נִיזּוֹנוֹת מִן הַמְטַלְטְלִין. שְׁמוּאֵל אָמַר אֵין הַבָּנוֹת נִיזּוֹנוֹת מִן הַמְטַלְטְלִין. מַתְנִיתָא מְסַיְיעָא לִשְׁמוּאֵל. בְּנָן נוּקְבָּן דִיהֲווֹן לֵיכִי מִינַּאי יְהַיוְיָין יָתְבָן בְּבֵיתִי וּמִיתְזְנָן מִנִּיכְסַיי. וְתַנֵּי עֲלָהּ. מִמְקַרְקְעֵי וְלֹא מִמְטַלְטְלֵי. אָמַר רִבִּי בָּא בַּר זַבְדָא. אַתְיָא דְּרַב הוּנָא כְרִבִּי וְרִבִּי שְּׁמוּאֵל כְּרִבִּי שִּׁמְעוֹן בֶּן לָעְזָר. דְּתַנֵּי. אֶחָד נְכָסִין שֶׁיֵּשׁ לָהֶן אֲחֵרָיוּת וְאֶחָד נְכָסִים שֶׁאֵין לָהֶן אֲחֵרָיוּת נִפְרָעִין מֵהֶן לְמָזוֹן הָאִשָּׁה וְהָבָּנוֹת. דִּבְרֵי רִבִּי. רִבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן לָעְזָר אוֹמֵר. נְכָסִים שֶׁיֵּשׁ לָהֶן אֲחֵרָיוּת הַבָּנִים מוֹצִיאִין מִן הַבָּנִים וְהָבָּנוֹת מִן הַבָּנוֹת וְהָבָּנִים מִן הַבָּנוֹת וְהָבָּנוֹת מִן הַבָּנִים. וְשֶׁאֵין לָהֶן אֲחֵרָיוּת הַבָּנִים מוֹצִיאִין מִן הַבָּנוֹת וְאֵין הַבָּנוֹת מוֹצִיאִין מִן הַבָּנִים. אָמְרִין. חָזַר בָּהּ רַב חוּנָא. אָמְרִין. יֵאוּת. כְּתוּבָּה דְּבַר תּוֹרָה וּמָזוֹן הַבָּנוֹת מִדִּבְרֵיהֶן. וְדִבְרֵיהֶן עוֹקְרִין דְּבַר תּוֹרָה. אֶלָּא בְּכֶסֶף כְּתוּבַּת אִימָּן פְּלִיגִין. וְכֶסֶף כְּתוּבַּת אִמָּן לֹא קַרְקַע הוּא.
Rav Huna insists on interpreting the contract text. Rav Huna explained: “The sons shall inherit but the daughters must be fed50Mishnah Ketubot 4:6..” Since the sons inherit movables51Since the entire inheritance goes to the sons, it seems logical that the daughters should have a lien on the entire inheritance., the daughters also are fed from movables. Samuel said, the daughters are not fed from movables. A Mishnah supports Samuel: “The female children you shall have from me shall dwell in my house and be supported from my property.52Mishnah Ketubot 4:11. This is one of the conditions stipulated in the marriage contract which does not have to be written down because the court will enforce it based on the existence of a ketubah alone. The obligation to support the daughters continues “until they are taken in marriage”.” It was stated on this53In the Babli, Ketubot 51a, this is stated in the name of the later Amora Rava and is undisputed. Rava himself rules in a practical case that if there was no real estate, the daughters must be fed in payment for the housekeeping duties they fulfill. {All these rules on the meaning of the ketubah contract are rabbinical and dependent on the circumstances. When the Jews lost their real estate after the Arab conquest of Iraq in the Eighth Century, the Geonim, the rabbinical authorities of that time, eliminated any mention of real estate in the rules of the ketubah.}: From real estate but not from movables. Rebbi Abba bar Zavda said: Rav Huna follows Rebbi and Samuel follows Rebbi Simeon ben Eleazar, as it was stated54Babli Ketubot 51a, Tosephta Ketubot 4:18. The version of the Babli is the most elaborate; probably it is the latest version taking into account the objections that may be raised against the Yerushalmi version. The Tosephta version differs in language from both Talmudim; S. Lieberman (Tosephta kiFshuṭah, part 6, vol. 1 (New York 1967) p. 254 shows that the Tosephta is compatible with the Babli version.: “One uses both guaranteed property55“Property under threat of alienation”. Real estate is always sold with a warranty that if the buyer loses the property (it is alienated) because of a pre-existing lien or mortgage, the seller will indemnify the buyer. Cf. Peah 3:8, Note 121. and non-guaranteed property56Movables. for the support of the wife and the daughters, the words of Rebbi. Rebbi Simeon ben Eleazar says, guaranteed property may be taken by sons from sons57The court will adjudicate claims of unequal distribution of property between the heirs. (If there are no sons, the daughters legally have the status of sons.), by daughters from daughters58The daughters have a claim to a dowry which is fixed at 10% of the inheritance (Ketubot, Yerushalmi 6:6, fol. 30d; Babli 68a). If there are ndaughters, for the first one has to reserve 1/10 of the capital, for the second 1/10of the remaining 9/10, etc. By the formula of the geometric progression, in all 1 - (9/10)n of the inheritance has to be set aside for the daughters. The younger daughters may claim an equal share with the oldest one in the distribution of dowry., by sons from daughters59If the inheritance is large, the sons may try to convince the court that the part reserved for the support of the unmarried daughters is too large., and by daughters from sons60If the inheritance is small, the daughters my apply to the court to reserve the entire inheritance for them. If the inheritance is large, the daughters may sue to invalidate any sale of real estate by the brothers which reduces the amount of capital available for their support. {This shows that the brothers have a monetary interest in marrying off their underage sisters.}. But non-guaranteed property may be taken by sons from daughters61If they took from the inheritance. but not by daughters from sons.” They said, Rav Huna reversed himself62The silence of the Babli in this matter supports this claim in the Yerushalmi.. They said, that was well done, ketubah is a biblical commandment63This is the position of the Yerushalmi (for the marriage of a virgin), opposed by the Babli; cf. Chapter 7, Note 63. but support of the daughters is from their words64It is part of the rabbinic ketubah text decreed by Simeon ben Sheṭaḥ in Hasmonean times which may show demotic Egyptian and Roman influences.. May their words uproot a biblical commandment? It must be that they differ about the money contained in their mother’s ketubah65If there were sons of different mothers who predeceased the father, the original ketubah decree required that each set of full brothers first recover the full amount of their mother’s ketubah before the rest was divided among all sons.. But is the money contained in their mother’s ketubah not also real estate66Since the entire ketubah must be satisfied by distribution of real estate (cf. Note 53).?
Rav Huna insists on interpreting the contract text. Rav Huna explained: “The sons shall inherit but the daughters must be fed50Mishnah Ketubot 4:6..” Since the sons inherit movables51Since the entire inheritance goes to the sons, it seems logical that the daughters should have a lien on the entire inheritance., the daughters also are fed from movables. Samuel said, the daughters are not fed from movables. A Mishnah supports Samuel: “The female children you shall have from me shall dwell in my house and be supported from my property.52Mishnah Ketubot 4:11. This is one of the conditions stipulated in the marriage contract which does not have to be written down because the court will enforce it based on the existence of a ketubah alone. The obligation to support the daughters continues “until they are taken in marriage”.” It was stated on this53In the Babli, Ketubot 51a, this is stated in the name of the later Amora Rava and is undisputed. Rava himself rules in a practical case that if there was no real estate, the daughters must be fed in payment for the housekeeping duties they fulfill. {All these rules on the meaning of the ketubah contract are rabbinical and dependent on the circumstances. When the Jews lost their real estate after the Arab conquest of Iraq in the Eighth Century, the Geonim, the rabbinical authorities of that time, eliminated any mention of real estate in the rules of the ketubah.}: From real estate but not from movables. Rebbi Abba bar Zavda said: Rav Huna follows Rebbi and Samuel follows Rebbi Simeon ben Eleazar, as it was stated54Babli Ketubot 51a, Tosephta Ketubot 4:18. The version of the Babli is the most elaborate; probably it is the latest version taking into account the objections that may be raised against the Yerushalmi version. The Tosephta version differs in language from both Talmudim; S. Lieberman (Tosephta kiFshuṭah, part 6, vol. 1 (New York 1967) p. 254 shows that the Tosephta is compatible with the Babli version.: “One uses both guaranteed property55“Property under threat of alienation”. Real estate is always sold with a warranty that if the buyer loses the property (it is alienated) because of a pre-existing lien or mortgage, the seller will indemnify the buyer. Cf. Peah 3:8, Note 121. and non-guaranteed property56Movables. for the support of the wife and the daughters, the words of Rebbi. Rebbi Simeon ben Eleazar says, guaranteed property may be taken by sons from sons57The court will adjudicate claims of unequal distribution of property between the heirs. (If there are no sons, the daughters legally have the status of sons.), by daughters from daughters58The daughters have a claim to a dowry which is fixed at 10% of the inheritance (Ketubot, Yerushalmi 6:6, fol. 30d; Babli 68a). If there are ndaughters, for the first one has to reserve 1/10 of the capital, for the second 1/10of the remaining 9/10, etc. By the formula of the geometric progression, in all 1 - (9/10)n of the inheritance has to be set aside for the daughters. The younger daughters may claim an equal share with the oldest one in the distribution of dowry., by sons from daughters59If the inheritance is large, the sons may try to convince the court that the part reserved for the support of the unmarried daughters is too large., and by daughters from sons60If the inheritance is small, the daughters my apply to the court to reserve the entire inheritance for them. If the inheritance is large, the daughters may sue to invalidate any sale of real estate by the brothers which reduces the amount of capital available for their support. {This shows that the brothers have a monetary interest in marrying off their underage sisters.}. But non-guaranteed property may be taken by sons from daughters61If they took from the inheritance. but not by daughters from sons.” They said, Rav Huna reversed himself62The silence of the Babli in this matter supports this claim in the Yerushalmi.. They said, that was well done, ketubah is a biblical commandment63This is the position of the Yerushalmi (for the marriage of a virgin), opposed by the Babli; cf. Chapter 7, Note 63. but support of the daughters is from their words64It is part of the rabbinic ketubah text decreed by Simeon ben Sheṭaḥ in Hasmonean times which may show demotic Egyptian and Roman influences.. May their words uproot a biblical commandment? It must be that they differ about the money contained in their mother’s ketubah65If there were sons of different mothers who predeceased the father, the original ketubah decree required that each set of full brothers first recover the full amount of their mother’s ketubah before the rest was divided among all sons.. But is the money contained in their mother’s ketubah not also real estate66Since the entire ketubah must be satisfied by distribution of real estate (cf. Note 53).?
הַיּוֹרֵד לְנִיכְסֵי אִשְׁתּוֹ וְנָתַן עֵינָיו בָּהּ לְגָרְשָׁהּ וְקָפַץ וְתָלַשׁ מִן הַקַּרְקַע הֲרֵי זֶה זָרִיז וְנִשְׂכָּר. הַיּוֹרֵד לְנִיכְסֵי שְׁבוּיִין וְשָׁמַע עֲלֵיהֶן שֶׁהֵן מְמַשְׁמְשִׁין וּבָאִין וְקָפַץ וְתָלַשׁ מִן הַקַּרְקַע הֲרֵי זֶה זָרִיז וְנִשְׂכָּר. וְאֵילּוּ הֵן נִיכְסֵי שְׁבוּיִים. כָּל שֶׁהָלַךְ אָבִיו אוֹ אָחִיו אוֹ אֶחָד מִכָּל הַמּוֹרִישִׁין אוֹתוֹ לִמְדִינַת הַיָּם וְשָׁמַע עֲלֵיהֶן שֶׁמֵּתוּ וְיָרַד לוֹ לְנַחֲלָה. אֲבָל נִיכְסֵי נְטוּשִׁין מוֹצִיאִין אוֹתָהּ מִיָּדוֹ. וְאֵילּוּ הֵן נִיכְסֵי נְטוּשִׁין. כָּל שֶׁהָלַךְ אָבִיו אוֹ אָחִיו אוֹ אֶחָד מִכָּל הַמּוֹרִישִׁין אוֹתוֹ לִמְדִינַת הַיָּם וְלֹא שָׁמַע עֲלֵיהֶן שֶׁמֵּתוּ וְיָרַד לוֹ לְנַחֲלָה. אָמַר רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל. שָׁמַעְתִּי הוּא שְׁבוּיִים הוּא נְטוּשִׁים. אֲבָל נִיכְסֵי רְטוּשִׁין מוֹצִיאִין מִיָּדוֹ. וְאֵילּוּ הֵן נִיכְסֵי רְטוּשִׁין. כָּל שֶׁהָלַךְ אָבִיו אוֹ אָחִיו אוֹ אֶחָד מִכָּל הַמּוֹרִישִׁין אוֹתוֹ לִמְדִינַת הַיָּם וְאֵין יָדוּעַ אֵיכָן הוּא. שְׁמוּאֵל אָמַר שָׁבוּי זֶה שֶׁיָּצָא שֶׁלֹּא לְדַעַת. שֶׁאִילּוּ יָצָא לְדַעַת הָיָה מְצַוֵּיהוּ. נָטוּשׁ זֶה שֶׁיָּצָא לְדַעַת. תֵּדַע לָךְ שֶׁעִילָּה הָיָה רוֹצֶה לְהַבְרִיחוֹ מִנְּכָסָיו. הֲרֵי לְדַעַת יָצָא וְלֹא צִיוָּהוּ. רִבִּי אָחָא רִבִּי בָּא רַב יְהוּדָה בְשֵׁם שְׁמוּאֵל. הַמְטַלְטְלִין אֵין בָּהֶן מִשּׁוּם נִיכְסֵי רְטוּשִׁין. רִבִּי יַעֲקֹב בַּר אָחָא בְשֵׁם רַב יְהוּדָה. קָמָה עוֹמֶדֶת לְהִיקָּצֵר וּגְפָנִים עוֹמְדוֹת לְהִיבָּצֵר מִמְטַלְטְלִין הֵן. רַב שֵׁשֶׁת שָׁאַל. אִילֵּין דִּיקְלַיָּא דְבָבֶל דְּלָא צְרִיכִין מֻרְכָּבָא לֹא מִסְתַּבְּרָא מֵיעַבְּדִינָין כְּקָמָה עוֹבֶרֶת לְהִיקָּצֵר וּגְפָנִים עוֹבְרוֹת לְהִיבָּצֵר.
67Tosephta Ketubot 8:2–3. The Tosephta contains additional statements, found in the parallel in the Babli, Baba Meṣi‘a 28b–29a.“If somebody who works his wife’s property68His wife’s paraphernalia property of which he receives the usufruct as payment for his investment in and work on the fields. If he divorces his wife before harvest, he loses all rights to the crop. He therefore has an incentive to harvest as early as possible. has the intention of divorcing her and goes and takes from the ground, he is quick and is rewarded. If somebody who works the property of prisoners69Not only kidnap victims but a large class described in the next sentence. Both Talmudim, by endorsing Samuel’s definition, take position against the very wide definition of this Tosephta. heard that they prepare to return, goes and takes from the ground, he is quick and is rewarded. These are properties of prisoners: In any case where his father, brother, or any person from whom he might inherit, went overseas, he heard that they died, and he went to work the inheritance70He had a reason to work the fields to keep them producing; he is rewarded by the possibility of acquiring the yield even if he has to return the real estate.. But property of abandoning persons one takes out of their hands. These are properties of abandoning persons: In any case where his father, brother, or any person from whom he might inherit, went overseas, he did not hear that they died, but he went to work the inheritance71He started to work the field without authorization; if the owner returns before the harvest, he loses his investment. (In the Tosephta he may claim to be rewarded for his investment in money and time by being made a sharecropper. The Babli explains that this applies only if the farmer is appointed by the court to take care of his relative’s property. There is no hint of this in the Yerushalmi.). Rabban Simeon ben Gamliel said, I heard that there is no difference between prisoners and abandoning persons72He disagrees with the anonymous Tanna and assigns the yield to the person working the field.. But property of broken persons one takes out of their hands. These are properties of smashed73The Babli refers to Hos. 10:14. persons: In any case where his father, brother, or any person from whom he might inherit, went overseas, and his whereabouts are not known.” Samuel says, the prisoner is one who left involuntarily. If he had left voluntarily he would have given him instructions74The relative who went to work the field may reasonably assume that he would have been appointed to care for the property if the kidnap victim had had time to communicate with him. Therefore, the courts will assign the yield to him.. The abandoning person is one who left voluntarily. You should know that he had the intention of keeping [the relative] off his property since he left voluntarily and did not give him instructions75Samuel disagrees with Rabban Simeon ben Gamliel and refuses the harvest to the relative working the field.. Rebbi Aḥa, Rebbi Abba, Rav Jehudah in the name of Samuel: Movables do not fall under the rules of smashed people76The absent person cannot reclaim usufruct the unauthorized relative had from his movables.. RebbiJacob bar Aḥa in the name of Rav Jehudah: Standing grain ready to be harvested and grapes ready to be harvested are movables77In the Babli, Šebuot 43a, theparallel statement is attributed to the Tanna R. Meїr; the anonymous majority declares any ripe crop to be under the laws of real estate until harvested. That means that the editors of the Babli rejected the attribution of the statement to Samuel, their highest authority in civil law.. Rav Sheshet asked: Those date palms of Babylonia which do not need grafting78There, palm trees are so abundant that it is not necessary to take male flowers and hang them into the crowns of female trees. That means that the trees do not need hard work., is it not reasonable that we should treat them like standing grain ready to be harvested and grapes ready to be harvested79No answer is given. The problem is not treated in the Babli since it precludes the basis of the question.?
67Tosephta Ketubot 8:2–3. The Tosephta contains additional statements, found in the parallel in the Babli, Baba Meṣi‘a 28b–29a.“If somebody who works his wife’s property68His wife’s paraphernalia property of which he receives the usufruct as payment for his investment in and work on the fields. If he divorces his wife before harvest, he loses all rights to the crop. He therefore has an incentive to harvest as early as possible. has the intention of divorcing her and goes and takes from the ground, he is quick and is rewarded. If somebody who works the property of prisoners69Not only kidnap victims but a large class described in the next sentence. Both Talmudim, by endorsing Samuel’s definition, take position against the very wide definition of this Tosephta. heard that they prepare to return, goes and takes from the ground, he is quick and is rewarded. These are properties of prisoners: In any case where his father, brother, or any person from whom he might inherit, went overseas, he heard that they died, and he went to work the inheritance70He had a reason to work the fields to keep them producing; he is rewarded by the possibility of acquiring the yield even if he has to return the real estate.. But property of abandoning persons one takes out of their hands. These are properties of abandoning persons: In any case where his father, brother, or any person from whom he might inherit, went overseas, he did not hear that they died, but he went to work the inheritance71He started to work the field without authorization; if the owner returns before the harvest, he loses his investment. (In the Tosephta he may claim to be rewarded for his investment in money and time by being made a sharecropper. The Babli explains that this applies only if the farmer is appointed by the court to take care of his relative’s property. There is no hint of this in the Yerushalmi.). Rabban Simeon ben Gamliel said, I heard that there is no difference between prisoners and abandoning persons72He disagrees with the anonymous Tanna and assigns the yield to the person working the field.. But property of broken persons one takes out of their hands. These are properties of smashed73The Babli refers to Hos. 10:14. persons: In any case where his father, brother, or any person from whom he might inherit, went overseas, and his whereabouts are not known.” Samuel says, the prisoner is one who left involuntarily. If he had left voluntarily he would have given him instructions74The relative who went to work the field may reasonably assume that he would have been appointed to care for the property if the kidnap victim had had time to communicate with him. Therefore, the courts will assign the yield to him.. The abandoning person is one who left voluntarily. You should know that he had the intention of keeping [the relative] off his property since he left voluntarily and did not give him instructions75Samuel disagrees with Rabban Simeon ben Gamliel and refuses the harvest to the relative working the field.. Rebbi Aḥa, Rebbi Abba, Rav Jehudah in the name of Samuel: Movables do not fall under the rules of smashed people76The absent person cannot reclaim usufruct the unauthorized relative had from his movables.. RebbiJacob bar Aḥa in the name of Rav Jehudah: Standing grain ready to be harvested and grapes ready to be harvested are movables77In the Babli, Šebuot 43a, theparallel statement is attributed to the Tanna R. Meїr; the anonymous majority declares any ripe crop to be under the laws of real estate until harvested. That means that the editors of the Babli rejected the attribution of the statement to Samuel, their highest authority in civil law.. Rav Sheshet asked: Those date palms of Babylonia which do not need grafting78There, palm trees are so abundant that it is not necessary to take male flowers and hang them into the crowns of female trees. That means that the trees do not need hard work., is it not reasonable that we should treat them like standing grain ready to be harvested and grapes ready to be harvested79No answer is given. The problem is not treated in the Babli since it precludes the basis of the question.?