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3:3:1

משנה: הַמּוֹצֵא כֵלִים וַעֲלֵיהֶן צוּרַת חַמָּה צוּרַת לְבָנָה צוּרַת הַדְּרָקוֹן יוֹלִיכֵם לְיָם הַמֶּלַח. רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל אוֹמֵר עַל הַמְכוּבָּדִים אֲסוּרִין עַל הַמְבוּזִּין מוּתָּרִין. רִבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר שׁוֹחֵק וְזוֹרֶה לָרוּחַ אוֹ מַטִּיל לַיָּם. אָמְרוּ לוֹ אַף הוּא נַעֲשֶׂה זֶבֶל וְנֶּאֱמַר וְלֹא יִדְבַּק בְּיָדְךָ מְאוּמָה מִן הַחֵרֶם:

MISHNAH: If somebody finds vessels and on them the form of the sun, the form of the moon79According to Maimonides, not circles representing sun and moon but their astrological representation., the form of a dragon80Greek δράκων, -οντος, ὁ, also “dragon-shaped jewellery”., he should bring them to the Dead Sea81Made from precious metals. All others fall under the category of “contemptible”.. Rabban Simeon ben Gamliel says, on honored ones82Deut. 13:18. it is forbidden, on contemptible ones permitted. Rebbi Yose said, he grinds them and disperses them into the wind or throws them into the Sea. They told him, but then it becomes fertilizer and it was said, nothing of the ban should cling to your hand83While they are divinities, they are not actively worshipped..

MISHNAH: If somebody finds vessels and on them the form of the sun, the form of the moon79According to Maimonides, not circles representing sun and moon but their astrological representation., the form of a dragon80Greek δράκων, -οντος, ὁ, also “dragon-shaped jewellery”., he should bring them to the Dead Sea81Made from precious metals. All others fall under the category of “contemptible”.. Rabban Simeon ben Gamliel says, on honored ones82Deut. 13:18. it is forbidden, on contemptible ones permitted. Rebbi Yose said, he grinds them and disperses them into the wind or throws them into the Sea. They told him, but then it becomes fertilizer and it was said, nothing of the ban should cling to your hand83While they are divinities, they are not actively worshipped..

3:3:2

הלכה: הַמּוֹצֵא כֵלִים כול׳. לֹא שָׁנוּ אֶלָּא כֵלִים שֶׁעֲלֵיהֶם צוּרַת הַחַמָּה וְצוּרַת הַלְּבָנָה. הָא שְׁאָר כָּל הַמַּזָּלוֹת לֹא. לֹא שָׁנוּ אֶלָּא דְּרָקוֹן. הָא כָל הַנְּחָשִׁים לֹא. אֵי זֶהוּ דְּרָקוֹן. כָּל שֶׁצִּיצִין יוֹצְאִין בְּצַוָּארוֹ. וְתַנֵּי כֵן. רִבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן (אֶלְעָזָר) [עַזַּאי] אוֹמֵר. אֵי זֶהוּ דְּרָקוֹן. כָּל שֶׁצִּיצִין יוֹצְאִין מִצַוָּארוֹ. הֶחָלָק מוּתָּר. הַמּוֹצֵא דְרָקוֹן עָשׂוּי כְמִין רָחוּשׁ אֲסוּרָה. רָחוּשׂ וְעָלָיו דְּרָקוֹן. נוֹטֵל אֶת הָרָחוּשׁ וּמַשְׁלִיךְ אֶת הַדְּרָקוֹן.

HALAKHAH: “If somebody finds vessels,” etc. They stated only “vessels and on them the form of the sun, the form of the moon,” therefore not any of the other planets83While they are divinities, they are not actively worshipped.. They only stated “dragon”, therefore not any snakes. What is a dragon? Any which has spikes on its neck. It was stated thus84Tosephta 5:2.: “Rebbi Simeon ben (Azzai) [Eleazar]85The reading of Tosephta, G, and the Leiden ms. before correction is “Eleazar”. In addition, while ben Azzai’s name was Simeon, he was not ordained and never is called “rabbi”. The correction is a corruption. says, what is a dragon? Any which has spikes on its neck. “If it86The neck on the snake-shaped vessel. is smooth it is permitted. If one finds a dragon in the form of a something crawling87The word may mean either snake, or worm, or even a small rodent. it is forbidden. Something crawling and on it a dragon, he takes the crawling thing and throws away the dragon.

HALAKHAH: “If somebody finds vessels,” etc. They stated only “vessels and on them the form of the sun, the form of the moon,” therefore not any of the other planets83While they are divinities, they are not actively worshipped.. They only stated “dragon”, therefore not any snakes. What is a dragon? Any which has spikes on its neck. It was stated thus84Tosephta 5:2.: “Rebbi Simeon ben (Azzai) [Eleazar]85The reading of Tosephta, G, and the Leiden ms. before correction is “Eleazar”. In addition, while ben Azzai’s name was Simeon, he was not ordained and never is called “rabbi”. The correction is a corruption. says, what is a dragon? Any which has spikes on its neck. “If it86The neck on the snake-shaped vessel. is smooth it is permitted. If one finds a dragon in the form of a something crawling87The word may mean either snake, or worm, or even a small rodent. it is forbidden. Something crawling and on it a dragon, he takes the crawling thing and throws away the dragon.

3:3:3

שְׁמוּאֵל אָמַר. כּוֹס בָּסִיס לִדְרָקוֹן אָסוּר. וּדְרָקוֹן בָּסִיס לַכּוֹס מוּתָּר. רִבִּי בָּא בְשֵׁם רַב. שִׁבְרֵי דְּרָקוֹן הֲרֵי אֵילּוּ מוּתָּרִין. דָּרָקוֹן שָׁלֵם וְנִשְׁבַּר הֲרֵי אֵילּוּ אֲסוּרִין. וּשְׁבוּרִים מִן הַשָּׂלֵם בָּאוּ. רִבִּי חִזְקְיָּה בְשֵׁם רַב. כֵּינִי. רָאָה אוֹתָן מִשְׁתַּחֲוִים לִדְרַקוֹן שָׁלֵם וְנִשְׁבַּר אֲסוּרִין.

Samuel said, a cup which serves as base for a dragon is forbidden, a dragon which serves as base for a cup is permitted88In the first case it may be an object of worship, in the second the dragon is a decoration.. Rebbi Abba in the name of Rav: Fragments of a dragon are permitted. If it was a whole dragon and broke, it is forbidden89Since a forbidden idol can become permitted only if a Gentile, not a Jew, breaks it (Note 76)..But did the fragments not come from a whole one? Rebbi Ḥizqiah in the name of Rav: So it is: If one saw them bowing down before a whole dragon and then it was broken, it is forbidden90Then there is an indication that the idol broke by accident, not by intention, and the shards remain forbidden..

Samuel said, a cup which serves as base for a dragon is forbidden, a dragon which serves as base for a cup is permitted88In the first case it may be an object of worship, in the second the dragon is a decoration.. Rebbi Abba in the name of Rav: Fragments of a dragon are permitted. If it was a whole dragon and broke, it is forbidden89Since a forbidden idol can become permitted only if a Gentile, not a Jew, breaks it (Note 76)..But did the fragments not come from a whole one? Rebbi Ḥizqiah in the name of Rav: So it is: If one saw them bowing down before a whole dragon and then it was broken, it is forbidden90Then there is an indication that the idol broke by accident, not by intention, and the shards remain forbidden..

3:3:4

מָה נַן קַיָימִין. אִם דָּבָר בָּרִיא שֶׁנֶּעֱבָדִין אֲפִילוּ מְבוּזִּין אָסוּר. אִם דָּבָר בָּרִיא שֶׁאֵינָן נֶעֱבָדִין אֲפִילוּ מְכוּבָּדִין מוּתָּר. אֶלָּא כִי נָן קַיָימִין בִּסְתָם. אָמַר רִבִּי קְרִיסְפָּא. וְהָדָא כוֹסוֹת דָּבָר שֶׁל בִּיזָּיוֹן הוּא. דְּרִבִּי חִיָיה בַּר בָּא הֲוָה לֵיהּ קְוָוקִין וַהֲוַות טִימֵי דְרוֹמֶי צִיְירָה בְגַוָוהּ. אָתָא שָׁאַל לְרִבִּי יוֹחָנָן. אֲמָר לֵיהּ. מִכֵּיוָן שֶׁהַמַּיִם צָפִין עַל גַּבָּהּ דָּבָר שֶׁלְּבִיזָּיוֹן הוּא. וְאָהֵן קִיתוֹנָא מִכֵּיוָן שֶׁאַתָּה מַשְׁקִעוֹ בַמַּיִם דָּבָר שֶׁלְּבִיזָּיוֹן הוּא. בְּיוֹמוֹי דְּרִבִּי יוֹחָנָן שָׁרוּן צָיְירִין עַל כּוֹתְלָא וְלֹא מָחִי בְּיָדַיְיהוּ. [בְּיוֹמוֹי דְּרִבִּי אַבוּן שָׁרוּן צָיְירִין עַל פְּסִיפָסס וְלֹא מָחִי בְּיָדוֹן.]

Where do we hold? If it is certain that they are worshipped, even the contemptible ones are forbidden. If it is certain that they are not worshipped, even the honored ones are permitted. But we must deal with the indeterminate case. Rebbi Crispus said, those cups91In G: “garment”. The following sentences show that the text of L is correct even though Gen.r. 81(3) quotes R. Joḥanan to the effect that garments may be forbidden as pagan (based on Gen. 35:2). belong to the contemptible category, for Rebbi Ḥiyya bar Abba had a pitcher92A Syriac word as identified in Sokoloff’s Dictionary of Jewish Palestinian Aramaic. and the (worth) [fortune]93The reading of G, τύχη “fortune, destiny” is preferable over the reading of L, τιμή “worth, value”. of Rome94The vocalization is from G referring to Romae. was pictured on it. He came to ask Rebbi Joḥanan who told him, since water swims on top of it, it is a contemptible one. A drinking cup95Greek κῶθων, “Laconian drinking vessel used by soldiers; drinking bout; religious banquet”. is contemptible since one immerses it in water. In the days of Rebbi Joḥanan they started painting on walls96Since the paintings are flat, they are not prohibited by the Second Commandment. and he did not protest against it. [In the days of Rebbi Abun they started depicting by mosaics and he did not protest against it.97Text of G, missing in L. As J. N. Epstein notes, any synagogue mosaic floor which shows figures (as opposed to text) must be dated after R. Abun’s time (about the year 300).]

Where do we hold? If it is certain that they are worshipped, even the contemptible ones are forbidden. If it is certain that they are not worshipped, even the honored ones are permitted. But we must deal with the indeterminate case. Rebbi Crispus said, those cups91In G: “garment”. The following sentences show that the text of L is correct even though Gen.r. 81(3) quotes R. Joḥanan to the effect that garments may be forbidden as pagan (based on Gen. 35:2). belong to the contemptible category, for Rebbi Ḥiyya bar Abba had a pitcher92A Syriac word as identified in Sokoloff’s Dictionary of Jewish Palestinian Aramaic. and the (worth) [fortune]93The reading of G, τύχη “fortune, destiny” is preferable over the reading of L, τιμή “worth, value”. of Rome94The vocalization is from G referring to Romae. was pictured on it. He came to ask Rebbi Joḥanan who told him, since water swims on top of it, it is a contemptible one. A drinking cup95Greek κῶθων, “Laconian drinking vessel used by soldiers; drinking bout; religious banquet”. is contemptible since one immerses it in water. In the days of Rebbi Joḥanan they started painting on walls96Since the paintings are flat, they are not prohibited by the Second Commandment. and he did not protest against it. [In the days of Rebbi Abun they started depicting by mosaics and he did not protest against it.97Text of G, missing in L. As J. N. Epstein notes, any synagogue mosaic floor which shows figures (as opposed to text) must be dated after R. Abun’s time (about the year 300).]

3:3:5

מָתִיב רִבִּי יוֹסֵי לְרַבָּנִן. וְהָכְתִיב וְאֶת חַטַּאתְכֶם אֲשֶׁר עֲשִׂיתֶם אֶת הָעֵגֶל. אָמְרוּ לֵיהּ. מְלַמֵּד שֶׁהָיָה מְבַקֵּשׁ לְבוֹדְקָן כְּשֵׁם שֶׁבּוֹדְקִין אֶת הַסּוֹטוֹת. וַיִּזֶר עַל פְּנֵי הַמַּיִם. אָמַר לוֹן. וְהָכְתִיב וְגַם מַעֲכָה אֵם אַסָּא הַמֶּלֶךְ הֵסִירֶהָ מִגְּבִירָה. אָמְרוּ לוֹ. מִשָּׁם רְאָיָיה. וַיִּכְרֹת אָסָא וגו׳. אָמַר לוֹן. וכִּתַּת נְחַשׁ הַנְּחוֹשֶׁת. וְכִי עֲבוֹדָה זָרָה הִיא. וַהֲלֹא מֹשֶׁה עֲשָׂאוֹ. אֶלָּא מְלַמֵּד שֶׁהָיוּ יִשְׂרָאֵל תוֹעִין אַחֲרָיו עַד שֶׁבָּא חִזְקִיָּהוּ וְהֶעֱבִירוֹ.

98Babli 43b/44a, Tosephta 3:19. The speaker is R. Yose the Tanna who objects to the statement that the idol has to be dumped into the Dead Sea; he brings examples of disposition of pagan idols in other ways. Rebbi Yose objected to the rabbis, is it not written: your sin which you had made, the calf99Deut. 9:21.? They told him, this teaches that he intended to examine them in the way one examines deviant wives: he strewed it on the surface of the water100Ex. 32:20. As usual, the argument is from the part of the verse which is not quoted, viz., he let the Children of Israel drink. The deviant wife has to drink water mixed with dust from the floor of the Sanctaury, Num. 5:11–31..He said to them, is it not written, and also Maacah, king Asa’s mother, he removed from power1011K. 15:13.? They told him, is there proof from there? Asa cut down102Since Asa burned his mother’s Ashera, there is no doubt that burning a wooden statue is as good as bringing it to the Dead Sea. etc. He told them, he beat the bronze serpent to pieces1032K. 18:4.. Was this an object of worship? Did not Moses make it? This teaches that Israel was erring after it until Hezekias came and removed it104Here ends the Genizah fragment G edited by Epstein; on the next line starts one (ג) edited by Ginzberg (pp. 278–279) of which, however, not very much is legible..

98Babli 43b/44a, Tosephta 3:19. The speaker is R. Yose the Tanna who objects to the statement that the idol has to be dumped into the Dead Sea; he brings examples of disposition of pagan idols in other ways. Rebbi Yose objected to the rabbis, is it not written: your sin which you had made, the calf99Deut. 9:21.? They told him, this teaches that he intended to examine them in the way one examines deviant wives: he strewed it on the surface of the water100Ex. 32:20. As usual, the argument is from the part of the verse which is not quoted, viz., he let the Children of Israel drink. The deviant wife has to drink water mixed with dust from the floor of the Sanctaury, Num. 5:11–31..He said to them, is it not written, and also Maacah, king Asa’s mother, he removed from power1011K. 15:13.? They told him, is there proof from there? Asa cut down102Since Asa burned his mother’s Ashera, there is no doubt that burning a wooden statue is as good as bringing it to the Dead Sea. etc. He told them, he beat the bronze serpent to pieces1032K. 18:4.. Was this an object of worship? Did not Moses make it? This teaches that Israel was erring after it until Hezekias came and removed it104Here ends the Genizah fragment G edited by Epstein; on the next line starts one (ג) edited by Ginzberg (pp. 278–279) of which, however, not very much is legible..

3:3:6

כָּתוּב אֶחָד אוֹמֵר וַיַּעַזְבוּ שָׁם אֶת עֲצַבֵּיהֶם וַיִּשָּׂ‌אֵם דָּוִד וַאֲנָשָׁיו. וְכָתוּב אַחֵר אוֹמֵר וַיֹּאמֶר דָּוִד וַיִּשָּׂרְפוּ בָּאֵשׁ. רִבִּי יוֹסֵי בַּר חַלְפוּתָה וְרַבָּנִן. רִבִּי יוּסֵי בַּר חַלְפוּתָה אוֹמֵר. מַה שֶׁהָיָה שֶׁלְּמַתֶּכֶת וַיִּשָּׂאֵם דָּוִד וַאֲנָשָׁיו. וּמַה שֶׁהָיָה שֶׁלְּעֵץ וַיֹּאמֶר דָּוִד וַיִּשָּׂרְפוּ בָּאֵשׁ. וְרַבָּנִן אָמְרֵי. מַה שֶׁהָיָה אִיתַי הַגִּיתִּי מְבַטֵּל וַיִּשָּׂאֵם דָּוִד וַאֲנָשָׁיו. וּמַה שֶׁלֹּא הָיָה מְבַטֵּל וַיֹּאמֶר דָּוִד וַיִּשָּׂרְפוּ בָּאֵשׁ. מַה מְקַיֵים רִבִּי יוּסֵי בֶּן חַלְפוּתָא וַיִּשָּׂאֵם דָּוִד וַאֲנָשָׁיו. נְטָלוּם בִּשְׂפָיָיו.

One verse says, they abandoned their idols; David and his men carried them away1052S. 5:21. The verse implies that the idols were a valuable part of the booty. According to the Mishnah the idols should have been brought to the Dead Sea, not to Hebron.. But another verse says, David gave orders and they were burned in the.fire1061Chr. 14:12, another report about the same event.. Rebbi Yose [ben Rebbi] Ḥalafta107This is the reading of ג, which agrees with the name of the Tanna in other sources. and the rabbis. Rebbi Yose ben Rebbi Ḥalafta says, what was of metal, David and his men carried them away. And what was of wood, David gave orders and they were burned in the fire. But the rabbis say, what Itai from Gat108They assume that he was a Gentile and therefore able to break the idols to remove the prohibition and turn them into valuable metal scrap. Babli 44a annulled, David and his men carried them away. And what he did not annul, David gave orders and they were burned in fire. How does Rebbi Yose [ben Rebbi] Ḥalafta confirm David and his men carried them away? They took them by their rims109To grind them down as R. Yose prescribes in the Mishnah..

One verse says, they abandoned their idols; David and his men carried them away1052S. 5:21. The verse implies that the idols were a valuable part of the booty. According to the Mishnah the idols should have been brought to the Dead Sea, not to Hebron.. But another verse says, David gave orders and they were burned in the.fire1061Chr. 14:12, another report about the same event.. Rebbi Yose [ben Rebbi] Ḥalafta107This is the reading of ג, which agrees with the name of the Tanna in other sources. and the rabbis. Rebbi Yose ben Rebbi Ḥalafta says, what was of metal, David and his men carried them away. And what was of wood, David gave orders and they were burned in the fire. But the rabbis say, what Itai from Gat108They assume that he was a Gentile and therefore able to break the idols to remove the prohibition and turn them into valuable metal scrap. Babli 44a annulled, David and his men carried them away. And what he did not annul, David gave orders and they were burned in fire. How does Rebbi Yose [ben Rebbi] Ḥalafta confirm David and his men carried them away? They took them by their rims109To grind them down as R. Yose prescribes in the Mishnah..

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  • Hebrew: The Jerusalem Talmud, edition by Heinrich W. Guggenheimer. Berlin, De Gruyter, 1999-2015 · License: CC-BY
  • English: The Jerusalem Talmud, translation and commentary by Heinrich W. Guggenheimer. Berlin, De Gruyter, 1999-2015 · License: CC-BY

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