Talmud Yerushalmi
Yerushalmi Avodah Zarah 3:4 ירושלמי עבודה זרה ג׳:ד׳
Part of: Chapter 3
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משנה: שָׁאַל פְּרִקְלוֹס בֶּן פְּלוֹסְלוֹס אֵֶת רַבָּן גַּמְלִיאֵל בְּעַכּוֹ שֶׁהָיָה רוֹחֵץ בַּמֶּרְחָץ שֶׁל אַפְרוֹדִיטֵי אָמַר לוֹ כָּתוּב בְּתוֹרתְכֶם וְלֹא יִדְבַּק בְּיָדְךָ מְאוּמָה מִן הַחֵרֶם. מִפְּנֵי מָה אַתָּה רוֹחֵץ בַּמֶּרְחָץ שֶׁל אַפְדוֹדִיטֵי. אָמַר לוֹ אֵין מְשִׁיבִין בַּמֶּרְחָץ. כְּשֶׁיָּצָא אָמַר לוֹ אֲנִי לֹא בָאתִי בִגְבוּלָהּ הִיא בָּאת בִּגְבוּלִי. אֵין אוֹמְרִים נַעֲשָׂה מֶרְחָץ נוֹי לְאַפְרוֹדִיטֵי אֶלָּא אוֹמְרִים נַעֲשִׂית אַפְרוֹדִיטֵי נוֹי לַמֶּרְחָץ. דָּבָר אַחֵר אִם נוֹתְנִין לְךָ מָמוֹן הַרְבֵּה אַתָּה נִכְנָס לַעֲבוֹדָה זָרָה שֶׁלְּךָ עָרוֹם וּבַעַל קֶרִי וּמַשְׁתִּין בְּפָנֶיהָ וְזוֹ עוֹמֶדֶת עַל פִּי הַבִּיב וְכָל אָדָם מַשְׁתִּינִין לְפָנֶיהָ. לֹא נֶאֱמַר אֶלָּא אֱלֹהֵיהֶם. אֶת שֶׁהוּא נוֹהֵג בּוֹ מִשּׁוּם אֱלוֹהַּ אָסוּר. וְאֶת שֶׁאֵינוֹ נוֹהֵג בּוֹ מִשּׁוּם אֱלוֹהַּ מוּתָּר:
MISHNAH: Proclos ben Ploslos110In the Babli פלוספוס which can be read פִלוֹסֳפוֹס “philosopher”; in the Venice edition of Alfasi פלופלוס, but in most sources, including Maimonides’s autograph Mishnah Commentary the name is written as in the Yerushalmi Mishnah. asked Rabban Gamliel in Acco when he was taking a bath in the Bath of Aphrodite111According to Maimonides there is no problem since Aphrodite is the symbol of the planet Venus, which was exempted from the general prohibition of pagan symbols in Halakhah 3 Note 83.. He said to him, it is written in your Torah, nothing banned should stick to your hand112Deut. 13:18.: why are you bathing in the Bath of Aphrodite? He said to him, one does not answer in the bath113One may not discuss religious subjects while naked. Cf. Berakhot 2:3 Notes 116–119.. When he left he told him, I did not come into her domain, she came into my domain. One does not say, the bath was built as adornment for Aphrodite but one says, Aphrodite was made as adornment of the bath.
Another explanation. If one gave you lots of money, would you enter your temple naked, after an emission, or urinating before it? But this one stands over the sewer and everybody is urinating in its presence. It only says their gods114Deut. 12:30; the verse which is the basis of Mishnah 6.; what is treated as a divinity is forbidden, what is not treated as a divinity is not forbidden.
MISHNAH: Proclos ben Ploslos110In the Babli פלוספוס which can be read פִלוֹסֳפוֹס “philosopher”; in the Venice edition of Alfasi פלופלוס, but in most sources, including Maimonides’s autograph Mishnah Commentary the name is written as in the Yerushalmi Mishnah. asked Rabban Gamliel in Acco when he was taking a bath in the Bath of Aphrodite111According to Maimonides there is no problem since Aphrodite is the symbol of the planet Venus, which was exempted from the general prohibition of pagan symbols in Halakhah 3 Note 83.. He said to him, it is written in your Torah, nothing banned should stick to your hand112Deut. 13:18.: why are you bathing in the Bath of Aphrodite? He said to him, one does not answer in the bath113One may not discuss religious subjects while naked. Cf. Berakhot 2:3 Notes 116–119.. When he left he told him, I did not come into her domain, she came into my domain. One does not say, the bath was built as adornment for Aphrodite but one says, Aphrodite was made as adornment of the bath.
Another explanation. If one gave you lots of money, would you enter your temple naked, after an emission, or urinating before it? But this one stands over the sewer and everybody is urinating in its presence. It only says their gods114Deut. 12:30; the verse which is the basis of Mishnah 6.; what is treated as a divinity is forbidden, what is not treated as a divinity is not forbidden.
הלכה: שָׁאַל פְּרָקְלוֹס בֶּן פְּלוֹסְלוֹס כול׳. מָה אֲנָן קַיָימִין. אִם בְּשֶׁשָּׁאֲלוֹ בְהִילְכוֹת הַמֶּרְחָץ הָיָה לוֹ לְהָשִׁיב. וְאִם בְּשֶׁלֹא שָׁאֲלוֹ בְהִילְכוֹת הַמֶּרְחָץ לֹא הָיָה לוֹ לְהָשִׁיב. דָּמַר רִבִּי יַעֲקֹב בַּר אִידִי בְשֵׁם רִבִּי יְהוֹשֻׁעַ בֶּן לֵוִי. שׁוֹאֲלִין הִילְכוֹת הַמֶּרְחָץ בְּבֵית הַמֶּרְחָץ. הִילְכוֹת בֵּית הַכִּסֵּא בְבֵית הַכִּסֵּא. כְּהָדָא רִבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן לָעְזָר עָאַל מִיסְחֵי עִם רִבִּי מֵאִיר. אָמַר לֵיהּ. מָהוּ שֶׁנַּדִּיחַ. אָמַר לֵיהּ. אָסוּר. מָהוּ שֶׁנַּקְּנִיחַ. אָמַר לֵיהּ. אָסוּר. וְלֹא כֵן שְׁמוּאֵל שָׁאַל לְרַב. מָהוּ לַעֲנוֹת אָמֵן בְּמָקוֹם מְטוּנָּף. אָמַר לֵיהּ. אֲסִיר. וַאֲסִיר דְּאַמְרִית לָךְ אֲסִיר. אַשְׁכַּח תַּנֵּי. שׁוֹאֲלִין הִילְכוֹת הַמֶּרְחָץ בְּבֵית הַמֶּרְחָץ. הִילְכוֹת בֵּית הַכִּסֵּא בְבֵית הַכִּסֵּא. אָמַר רִבִּי יוּדָן אָבִיו דְּרִבִּי מַתַּנְיָה. מֵהִילְכוֹת הַמֶּרְחָץ שָׁאֲלוֹ אֶלָּא שֶׁאֵין דֶּרֶךְ לַעֲנוֹת בַּמֶּרְחָץ. אָמַר רִבִּי שְׁמוּאֵל בַּר אֶבְדַּימִי. מֵהִילְכוֹת הַמֶּרְחָץ שָׁאֲלוֹ אֶלָּא שֶׁהֶבֶל הַמֶּרְחָץ רַע לַשִּׁינַּיִים. חֲבֵרַיָיא רִבִּי חָמָא בַּר יוֹסֵי בְשֵׁם רִבִּי הוֹשַׁעְיָה רִבִּי זְעִירָא בְשֵׁם רִבִּי יְהוֹשֻׁעַ בֶּן לֵוִי. תְּשׁוּבַת הַפְלֵג הָשִׁיבוֹ. דִּלֹא כֵן הָיָה לוֹ לַהֲשִׁיבוֹ מִבַּעַל פְּעוֹר שֶׁאֵין עֲבוֹדָתוֹ אֶלָּא בִפְעִירָה. מַאי כְדוֹן. אֶת שֶׁהוּא נוֹהֵג בּוֹ מִשּׁוּם אֱלוֹהַּ אָסוּר. וְאֶת שֶׁאֵינוֹ נוֹהֵג בּוֹ מִשּׁוּם אֱלוֹהַּ מוּתָּר.
HALAKHAH: “Proclos ben Ploslos asked,” etc. Where do we hold? If he asked him about practice in the bath he should have answered; if he did not ask him about practice in the bath he should not have answered115Since the instruction that one does not answer in the bath, i. e., in the room where people are naked, is a religious instruction forbidden at that place.. 116The main source for the following is Šabbat 3:3 (6a l.51, ש), Babli Šabbat 40b. As Rebbi Jacob bar Idi said in the name of Rebbi Joshua ben Levi: One asks about practice in the bath while in the bathhouse, about practice in the toilet while in the toilet. As when Rebbi Simeon ben Eleazar went to bathe with Rebbi Meïr, he asked him, may one rinse? He told him, it is forbidden117As explained in Šabbat, they went to bathe in the hot springs of Tiberias on the Sabbath. It is forbidden to take a hot bath in water which was heated, but not in water which is naturally hot. But then one has to be careful not to rinse oneself outside the water flowing from the source since water spilled on the earth outside would fill in depressions in the ground, which is prohibited work.. May one dry himself with a towel? He told him, it is forbidden118Similarly, one may not use a bath towel on the Sabbath since squeezing out water from a towel (or a sponge) is forbidden work.. But did not Samuel ask Rav, may one say “Amen” at a dirty place? He told him, it is forbidden, and it is forbidden that I told you that it is forbidden119Since he was asked at a place with a bad smell. He disagrees with R. Jacob bar Idi.. It was found stated, one asks120In Šabbat: “One does not ask.” This supports Rav and seems to be the original version. Unfortunately, ג is damaged at this passage. about practice in the bath while in the bathhouse, about practice in the toilet while in the toilet. Rebbi Yudan, the father of Rebbi Mattaniah, said, he asked him about practice in the bath but it is not done121In ג:“is not polite”. to answer in the bath. Rebbi Samuel bar Eudaimon said, he asked him about practice in the bath but the steam in the bath is bad for the teeth. The colleagues, Rebbi Ḥama bar Yose in the name of Rebbi Hoshaia, Rebbi Zeˋira in the name if Rebbi Joshua ben Levi: He answered him in an evasive answer122Babli 44b., for he could have replied about Baal Peˋor whose worship only consists in exposure and defecation123Mishnah Sanhedrin 7:12.. What about it124What would be the correct answer?? What is treated as a divinity is forbidden, what is not treated as divinity is not forbidden.
HALAKHAH: “Proclos ben Ploslos asked,” etc. Where do we hold? If he asked him about practice in the bath he should have answered; if he did not ask him about practice in the bath he should not have answered115Since the instruction that one does not answer in the bath, i. e., in the room where people are naked, is a religious instruction forbidden at that place.. 116The main source for the following is Šabbat 3:3 (6a l.51, ש), Babli Šabbat 40b. As Rebbi Jacob bar Idi said in the name of Rebbi Joshua ben Levi: One asks about practice in the bath while in the bathhouse, about practice in the toilet while in the toilet. As when Rebbi Simeon ben Eleazar went to bathe with Rebbi Meïr, he asked him, may one rinse? He told him, it is forbidden117As explained in Šabbat, they went to bathe in the hot springs of Tiberias on the Sabbath. It is forbidden to take a hot bath in water which was heated, but not in water which is naturally hot. But then one has to be careful not to rinse oneself outside the water flowing from the source since water spilled on the earth outside would fill in depressions in the ground, which is prohibited work.. May one dry himself with a towel? He told him, it is forbidden118Similarly, one may not use a bath towel on the Sabbath since squeezing out water from a towel (or a sponge) is forbidden work.. But did not Samuel ask Rav, may one say “Amen” at a dirty place? He told him, it is forbidden, and it is forbidden that I told you that it is forbidden119Since he was asked at a place with a bad smell. He disagrees with R. Jacob bar Idi.. It was found stated, one asks120In Šabbat: “One does not ask.” This supports Rav and seems to be the original version. Unfortunately, ג is damaged at this passage. about practice in the bath while in the bathhouse, about practice in the toilet while in the toilet. Rebbi Yudan, the father of Rebbi Mattaniah, said, he asked him about practice in the bath but it is not done121In ג:“is not polite”. to answer in the bath. Rebbi Samuel bar Eudaimon said, he asked him about practice in the bath but the steam in the bath is bad for the teeth. The colleagues, Rebbi Ḥama bar Yose in the name of Rebbi Hoshaia, Rebbi Zeˋira in the name if Rebbi Joshua ben Levi: He answered him in an evasive answer122Babli 44b., for he could have replied about Baal Peˋor whose worship only consists in exposure and defecation123Mishnah Sanhedrin 7:12.. What about it124What would be the correct answer?? What is treated as a divinity is forbidden, what is not treated as divinity is not forbidden.